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[IIC]

One of the BIG differences between my IIC 100 and the IBD 100 is that I only use the most current qtr. eps and the eps projections going out 5 to 8 qtrs as part of my scan.

I understand your interest but my philosophy is

"I don't care what you did for me yesterday...I wanna know what you're gonna do for me tomorrow"

I think the comparison results between the IIC 100 and the IBD 100 prove that out the past several years.

[skiracer]

When I do look I look at the same qtr. in the previous year that's about it. The only reason is that some companies have traditionally done better in certain qtrs when their products sell better. I feel that if you can't see that a company is doing better in the succeeding 3 qtrs. after the qtr. one year previous to the qtr the stock is in at the present time then then in my logic it's not doing as well and probably not matching previous qtrs sales or earnings which throws a flag up. You could never convince me that going back two years or more is going to be relevant to what is taking place today.

In my own opinion I would advise anyone to steer away from O'Neil and anything he has to say. The Canslim methodology contains all the qualities one would want to look for fundamentally but those qualities are what anyone in their right mind should be looking for in quality stocks if you rely on fundamental characteristics to trade by. It is nothing new and O'Neil created a niche for himself by making people think he discovered a new way to find good stocks. When in effect he had simply reiterated what everyone should be doing for themselves but he took credit for the vision and the concept.

It's good to talk about this and if everyone had the same opinion then there wouldn't be any need to talk about it. I like to think that I have weeded out the chaff from the wheat over the last 20 years or so and thus have cut down on the time I spend on needless information. If the shoe fits you should wear it but please always remain open minded to new ideas and dialogue. Time is the one non-replenishable commodity. And please place one of those strong Canslim stocks with several qtrs of escalating growth into the contest this coming week. Over the course of the year your standing will specifically reflect on how well you're research is panning out. Good luck and looking forward to seeing one of your selections in the Portfolio of the Week game.

[IIC]

I believe that one who considers the Canslim approach should consider how bad the O'Neil Fund did in the 70's and the New USA Fund in the 90's...Now there is the CSSGX fund which O'Neil features on his site.

Look at the chart...In 2 1/2 years the fund is a loser...Beau and Crew are supposedly CS experts...If they can't make money using Canslim how are you gonna make money???

[skiracer]

I believe that one who considers the Canslim approach should consider how bad the O'Neil Fund did in the 70's and the New USA Fund in the 90's...Now there is the CSSGX fund which O'Neil features on his site.

Look at the chart...In 2 1/2 years the fund is a loser...Beau and Crew are supposedly CS experts...If they can't make money using Canslim how are you gonna make money???

there appears to be a cup base and handle going on there Doug. and to think that anyone would only have had to wait 2 years for the handle to develop and maybe trade the ensuing breakout of the handle which just might be coming and thus raise the bar on the funds results.

[IIC]

there appears to be a cup base and handle going on there Doug. and to think that anyone would only have had to wait 2 years for the handle to develop and maybe trade the ensuing breakout of the handle which just might be coming and thus raise the bar on the funds results.

LOL...You are right...But I have to agree with WON...The CwH doesn't apply to Indices...Although I don't recall what his thoughts are re: the pattern on funds

[New-born baby]

I believe that one who considers the Canslim approach should consider how bad the O'Neil Fund did in the 70's and the New USA Fund in the 90's...Now there is the CSSGX fund which O'Neil features on his site.

Look at the chart...In 2 1/2 years the fund is a loser...Beau and Crew are supposedly CS experts...If they can't make money using Canslim how are you gonna make money???

Oh Doug! You are so technical! They ARE making money . . . on subscriptions. Those snake oil salesmen of the Old West made money, too, ya know.

[IIC]

Oh Doug! You are so technical! They ARE making money . . . on subscriptions. Those snake oil salesmen of the Old West made money, too, ya know.

Maybe they are and maybe they're not

[skiracer]

Maybe they are and maybe they're not

guys from IBD call me every week with all kinds of varying subscription offers. I usually respond by telling them that everything associated with IBD is bullshit and I wouldn't take a subscription if they paid for it with their money. I also tell them that every chance i get i tell other people the same thing. they are relentless though and keep calling me back. i think they like the pain. i think their subscription numbers and revenues have fallen way off what they used to be.

[IIC]

guys from IBD call me every week with all kinds of varying subscription offers. I usually respond by telling them that everything associated with IBD is bullshit and I wouldn't take a subscription if they paid for it with their money. I also tell them that every chance i get i tell other people the same thing. they are relentless though and keep calling me back. i think they like the pain. i think their subscription numbers and revenues have fallen way off what they used to be.

IBD used to print the number of subscribers at the top of the front page...The highest number I ever remember seeing was 310,000. Just checked the Audit Bureau of Circulations and it says 161,000. I don't know if that number includes eIBD subscribers???

But the money is not in the paid subscribers it is in the amount of advertising. Of course the more subscribers you have the more you can charge for advertising...Theoretically anyway. Your subscriber profile also affects what you may be able to charge for advertising too.

On their site you can view their latest Readership profile...claims a readership of 457,000 so they figure about 3 people read each paper. You can also see their ad rates. I'm sure these are full rates only.

Thing that gets me is that if I count all the ads at the full rate...I just cannot see a profit. Of course, there are other ways to make money like all the nickel and dime add-ons they sell and the outrageous prices they charge for seminars...Not to mention renting subscribers names out for mailing lists.

Don't really know if the paper itself makes money or not...Obviously the eIBD could be a moneymaker by itself...But distribution of the print edition has to be pretty costly...I remember when my IBD delivery guy used to come deliver my paper at about 7pm the night before...At that time I used to read it over dinner most nights...But as a cost saving measure they changed it to be delivered with my LA Times in the morning...Well, I don't have time to read it in the morning so mostly I only read Monday's edition which is delivered with my LA Times on Saturdays.

Don't know if IBD has any ownership in the CSSGX...But since they post the holdings everyday they must at least be affiliated somehow IMO...Would be a pretty good marketing tool if the fund made any money...But it was a pretty easy call that it wouldn't...In fact, I'm mildly surprised that CSSGX is still in existance.

[billyjoe]

Doug,
Back in the day when WON was making his fortune which probably included the first few years of the IBD paper I'll assume that O'neil was investing in some of his high EPS/RS stocks and always envied the lead time he had on everyone before he published his ratings for the public. He didn't have to worry about the internet providing the same or better more accurate information for free. He just doesn't have that edge any more.


------------billyjoe

[investor30]

One of the BIG differences between my IIC 100 and the IBD 100 is that I only use the most current qtr. eps and the eps projections going out 5 to 8 qtrs as part of my scan.

I understand your interest but my philosophy is

"I don't care what you did for me yesterday...I wanna know what you're gonna do for me tomorrow"

I think the comparison results between the IIC 100 and the IBD 100 prove that out the past several years.

What does IIC stand for? I did a search and found a list of the 100 IIC stocks which I think is the same thing you are referring to. The idea is very interesting, I will have to investigate further.

I am new to this site but will look into the Portfolio of the Week challenge or whatever, I look forward to participating.

[skiracer]

What does IIC stand for? I did a search and found a list of the 100 IIC stocks which I think is the same thing you are referring to. The idea is very interesting, I will have to investigate further.

I am new to this site but will look into the Portfolio of the Week challenge or whatever, I look forward to participating.

it's just a contest/game that we run every week. we call it the portfolio of the week. whoever has the highest percentage of gain at the close on Friday is the winner. usually about 18/20 players per week. go to the 1st page of this thread and take a look at the rules just to familarize yourself with the rules. other than that there is nothing to it except picking a good setup either long or short. just throw a pick up there and you're in but read the rules because there are several options and number of trades available to each player every week. would be glad to have you participate.

[IIC]

What does IIC stand for? I did a search and found a list of the 100 IIC stocks which I think is the same thing you are referring to. The idea is very interesting, I will have to investigate further.

I am new to this site but will look into the Portfolio of the Week challenge or whatever, I look forward to participating.

IIC is short for InvestorsInformationCenter which was my moniker back in the 90's.


My IIC 100 has been around since 2004