Why Are We In Iraq ?

[IIC]

However, a River/Ski team might be very effective! All it takes is courage and conviction and both of us have those in spades.

And Peanuts, this would not be as disruptive as you might imagine. It could be a one-day event that sends a powerful expensive message.

Doug, a moratorium just postpones sending that amount of taxes on that particular day. It doesn't mean those taxes will be evaded. It means we just aren't sending them today. It's a wake-up call, not a felonius act. And we probably will incur some kind of late payment penalties.

" we should all just stop paying our taxes. don't send in the money unless they can give a decent accounting for what they have spent. ... we should tell them to shove it up their asses. don't pay your taxes and see where they get the money and how fast it will stop".

The above is an UNEDITED copy of part of Ski's post...I'm not trying to read anything into it...I'm responding to what he said

[riverbabe]

" we should all just stop paying our taxes. don't send in the money unless they can give a decent accounting for what they have spent. ... we should tell them to shove it up their asses. don't pay your taxes and see where they get the money and how fast it will stop".

The above is an UNEDITED copy of part of Ski's post...I'm not trying to read anything into it...I'm responding to what he said

Understood. But you and I both know that this is just "vintage Ski." I just basically agree with his premise that a wake-up call is needed and that this might be a quick way to do it without working through the lumbering bureaucracy. I think we could formulate a plan that would send the message without being felonius. Ski is a very savvy guy and I think we might make a good team to think this one through. It might be a very bad idea or a possibly good one. But I know we would have the smarts and the guts together to accept or reject after discussion. River

[mimo_100]

I was part of a non-partisan group in the late seventies who proposed doing what has been said in this thread. I can write a lot about our experiences. I have since decided the best way to approach tax reform is to do it politically. Here are a few links -- not necessarily my views, just for information. There is a lot more out there..

One view of the Value added tax:
http://www.answers.com/topic/value-added-tax?cat=biz-fin
The FairTax:

• Abolishes the IRS
• Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
• Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
• Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
• Allows American products to compete fairly
• Reimburses the tax on purchases of basic necessities
• Enables retirees to keep their entire pension
• Enables workers to keep their entire paycheck

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer

More links if you are interested:

Understanding Tax Reform: A Guide to 21st Century Alternatives (2005)


http://www.freedomworks.org/informed/issues_template.php?issue_id=2389

[mrmarket]

I was part of a non-partisan group in the late seventies who proposed doing what has been said in this thread. I can write a lot about our experiences. I have since decided the best way to approach tax reform is to do it politically. Here are a few links -- not necessarily my views, just for information. There is a lot more out there..

One view of the Value added tax:
http://www.answers.com/topic/value-added-tax?cat=biz-fin
The FairTax:

• Abolishes the IRS
• Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
• Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
• Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
• Allows American products to compete fairly
• Reimburses the tax on purchases of basic necessities
• Enables retirees to keep their entire pension
• Enables workers to keep their entire paycheck

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer

More links if you are interested:

Understanding Tax Reform: A Guide to 21st Century Alternatives (2005)


http://www.freedomworks.org/informed/issues_template.php?issue_id=2389

I am a big fan of abolishing income tax and increasing sales tax on everything. That way, those of us who consume more pay more taxes. This would incentivize more investing and collect taxes from all income earners, especially those who don't pay taxes now.

[lemonjello]

There's a guy that's already got all these issues covered and he's running for President.


Judge Napolitano on Ron Paul - watch the series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QwTKKSvR8

https://www.ronpaul2008.com

Check the issues

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

[studentofthemarket]

What are you talking about?

I am a big fan of abolishing income tax and increasing sales tax on everything. That way, those of us who consume more pay more taxes. This would incentivize more investing and collect taxes from all income earners, especially those who don't pay taxes now.

Wow, when did you sleep through, the "who pays taxes class?"

increasing the sales tax on "EVERYTHING" (your word) would totally pound the lower income folks. Lower income people have many strikes against them regarding sales tax, they spend a great portion of their income on goods/services to get by. And Gas taxes really pound them because they typically drive farther to work, and use an older typically less fuel efficient vehicle to get there. Not to mention the fact that the rich consume less as a % of income. They would likely see rates drop. And that wouldn't sit well with the Pelosi's of the world, investment income would get taxed more, and well see below for how well that would work.


I got a better idea, to stick it to those rich people that don't pay taxes. Let's put a luxury tax on expensive things like Horses, cars, boats, planes and Jewelry. That should stick it to those rich people....


Oh Wait, that's been tried, WRT cars and boats anyway. Let's think about how that worked. Hmmm.... at least 3 boat builders in the Tampa St.Pete area went under when orders stopped. a Rich person looking at a product that is suddenly 25% more expensive, but not >25% better, isn't going to buy. So they didn't, and a whole bunch of people (my brother included) lost their jobs. That showed those rich people.

When that was repealed, the dealership(not builder) where my brother then worked sold several million in boats that first week. And sales grew and grew from there.



Student

[Peter Hansen]

Scary Stuff

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/14/162425.shtml?s=lh

[billyjoe]

It looks like we'll have to kill everyone in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan and maybe anyone here that seems suspicious because you know if you leave one person and probably the one you'd suspect least, likely (they're so tricky) , they'd be the nuclear or biological weapons expert that will take us all out.

------------billyjoe

[New-born baby]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...425.shtml?s=lh

That alone explains why we are in Iraq. Fight them there and not here.

[Websman]

It looks like we'll have to kill everyone in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan and maybe anyone here that seems suspicious because you know if you leave one person and probably the one you'd suspect least, likely (they're so tricky) , they'd be the nuclear or biological weapons expert that will take us all out.

------------billyjoe

Not to worry...It's just a matter of time before the Extraterrestrial civilization, that created us, will intervene and bring us harmony and happiness. the Vulcans have declared this to be the truth.

Hang on a minute... I think I've had too much Goji....this is all making sense.

wow.....................

[Websman]

That alone explains why we are in Iraq. Fight them there and not here.

Kill them all and sort em out later..........

[mrmarket]

Does anyone ever wonder why on September 11th that 100 planes weren't hijacked? I mean it seemed like a very diabolical plan and that the only way to ever make it work would have been that one time.

If there are so many terrorists, how come they only took 4 planes? I'm not trying to minimize what happened, it just seems like if there were really a million terrorists, it probably would have been pretty easy to have hijacked 100 planes.

The other thing I also thought about was..remember how terrified everyone was when that idiot sniper was running loose in the Washington DC area for a month? I would think that would be something a terrorist could do fairly easily to wreak terror...yet that never happened either.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want bad things to happen to anyone, but it seems to me that if terrorists were so numerous and crawling around like cockroaches, it would be pretty easy for them to do evil things to people all the time.

[IIC]

Does anyone ever wonder why on September 11th that 100 planes weren't hijacked? I mean it seemed like a very diabolical plan and that the only way to ever make it work would have been that one time.

If there are so many terrorists, how come they only took 4 planes? I'm not trying to minimize what happened, it just seems like if there were really a million terrorists, it probably would have been pretty easy to have hijacked 100 planes.

The other thing I also thought about was..remember how terrified everyone was when that idiot sniper was running loose in the Washington DC area for a month? I would think that would be something a terrorist could do fairly easily to wreak terror...yet that never happened either.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want bad things to happen to anyone, but it seems to me that if terrorists were so numerous and crawling around like cockroaches, it would be pretty easy for them to do evil things to people all the time.

The thing is...There really are not that many terrorists who are martyrs...If there were... it would be all over.

As I've said before I will not post my ideas of how the food supply could be poisened because I don't know who the heck reads this forum...But I read some articles over the weekend about the possibility...It seems very easy for some whackos to pull off

[mrmarket]

The thing is...There really are not that many terrorists who are martyrs...If there were... it would be all over.

As I've said before I will not post my ideas of how the food supply could be poisened because I don't know who the heck reads this forum...But I read some articles over the weekend about the possibility...It seems very easy for some whackos to pull off

That kind of segues into my next point...

If someone who doesn't speak my language came into my neighborhood and started blowing up my streets, schools and killing my neighbors, it wouldn't take long for me to want to start killing that person.

So.....first of all...who are we fighting in Iraq? And if we don't know this, are we doing exactly what I cited above?

I never worried about Iraq before....now I have to watch it on the news every day because we are over there making potholes in their countryside. Is it just a game of "whack a mole"? Kill one and create another one? Doesn't make sense to me.

[billyjoe]

Remember in the 70's we had to kill all of the viet kong or we'd all be ruled by the communists when they took over the world . Somebody was wrong about that. The way I see it we've lost over 3600 troops to avenge 2762 deaths at the world trade center. We've probably killed 10's of thousands of "terrorists" yet they seem to be multiplying faster than we can wipe them out. There's no solution to the problem if you buy into Bush's paranoia. He probably wonders why we haven't been hit again, an act that would justify his "wipe 'em out" policy.

-----------billyjope