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  • riverbabe
    Senior Member
    • May 2005
    • 3373

    Bear Sterns Big Subprime Problem



    Wednesday, July 18th. - Stock Trends, Charts, and Commentary
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    A few months ago, the sub-prime problem seemed to be a mammoth problem to many investors.

    But ... nothing bad happened, so investors thought that this was another over-hyped problem that really
    amounted to nothing. Besides, the Fed was being proactive as our big market-protectors, so there
    was nothing to worry about ... Mighty Mouse was here to save the day.

    A week ago, Bloomberg had a little news items that was hardly noticed. In the article, they described
    how our US Dept. of Housing and Urban Development Secretary (Alphonso Jackson) was in Beijing.
    His US Government mission was to meet with Chinese banking authorities and ask them to BUY U.S.
    Mortgage backed securities.

    That should have been a "red flag" to American investors. For our government to try and sell our
    sub-prime mortgages to China suggested that "they are scared as hell" and that they know the
    sub-prime problems are finally starting to filter down at a visible level.

    The first sub-prime bomb went off last night. Bear Sterns announced that their was "little value left in its
    two failed hedge funds" ... zero value in one, and about 9% left in the other.

    Think about it ... Bear Sterns is the second largest underwriter of mortgage backed securities and a
    very sharp investment house, and they still couldn't control the risk or unwinding of these assets
    until they went to zero?

    Like it or not, Bear Sterns is the tip of the iceberg. Secretary Jackson didn't go to China and beg
    them to buy our sub-prime problems because he thought it was a good deal for them. He did it
    because our government knows that we are sitting on a mountain of trouble related to mortgage problems.

    It bugs me, that I had to go to the India Daily this morning to find out how much was lost. They
    reported that 20 billion dollars went to almost zero in value. You would have expected that
    our media would be screaming about the amount and we should be asking why it wasn't headline
    news when the two hedge funds had dropped 50% and lost 10 billion.

    The incubation time is about done on the sub-primes, and in the next 30, 60, to 90 days ... these
    problems will begin to unfold and become visible to the public.

    For a couple of weeks, I have been mentioning that the Financial sector is in trouble and that this
    was a problem because the Financial sector represents 20.77% of the S&P 500.

    If you recall, last Wednesday we said, "One of the things worrying large investors is fallout from sub-prime
    loan problems. This concern is reducing investor interest in banking stocks."

    Obviously, our stock market won't be happy about it today. As I have mentioned before, the thing
    to keep an eye on is the Banking Index. Its chart is below ...

    Note that the Banking Index is coming to the end of a triangular pattern. If it loses support
    on the triangle's bottom line, then there is another 4 1/2 year support line just below it.

    If that support is broken, then the Banking Index will see a nasty correction, and that
    will spill over to the S&P 500 and other indexes. Take the time to keep an eye on this
    index ... its symbol is BKX.




    Repeated from last week's posting for your reference:

    This chart shows the makeup of the S&P 500 Index by sector. Note that the Financials Sector
    makes up 20.77% of the S&P 500.

    If the Banking index loses support, the heavy weighting it has in the S&P will have a very
    negative affect on the markets.



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    Last edited by riverbabe; 07-18-2007, 03:09 PM. Reason: typos

  • #2
    Who wrote this? This is incredibly alarmist and certain sentences are either vague, misleading, or probably the product of the author's ignorance.

    In what way are the securities being marketed in China "ours" (Federal gov't)? I thought the securities are created by the U.S. private sector for ownership by the private sector. Bear Stears created these products, or at least one of their hedge funds owned some of these products. Trying to sell a distressed asset is a "red flag" only to the prospective buyer.

    The author states that Bear Stearns "couldn't control the risk" in these assets. Was that the purpose of the securities? A mortgage is a mortgage. You write a mortgage for a less capable borrower, you have a higher probability of the mortgage being paid late and of eventual default. There are increasing numbers of defaulting mortgages written for people who in fact could not afford to pay under those loans' actual terms. The firms who took on the risk of these instruments were likely to have above average defaults because of the terms of the loans (adjustable payments, etc.) and the subprime clientele. They were playing with "funny money."

    I think that BS can afford to lose $20B of funny money, because a alot of it wasn't theirs but was borrowed from a load of other sources (banks and other institutions, probably a good deal of it from offshore banks). The international financial system can easily withstand $20B of bad mortgages. I would like to see this author address how much of BS hedge money was in turn borrowed from foreign sources.

    I have seen other estimates that 10% to 20% of all subprime mortgages could go into default. This would not cause any major dislocation to the international financial system, which is where the funds for the losses came from, not just in America.

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    • #3
      Don't worry Riverbabe

      and please join me in the MSFT party that's about to begin.....Also, you fish Steelhead in northern Ohio?

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      • riverbabe
        Senior Member
        • May 2005
        • 3373

        #4
        Originally posted by ParkTwain View Post
        Who wrote this? This is incredibly alarmist and certain sentences are either vague, misleading, or probably the product of the author's ignorance.

        In what way are the securities being marketed in China "ours" (Federal gov't)? I thought the securities are created by the U.S. private sector for ownership by the private sector. Bear Stears created these products, or at least one of their hedge funds owned some of these products. Trying to sell a distressed asset is a "red flag" only to the prospective buyer.

        The author states that Bear Stearns "couldn't control the risk" in these assets. Was that the purpose of the securities? A mortgage is a mortgage. You write a mortgage for a less capable borrower, you have a higher probability of the mortgage being paid late and of eventual default. There are increasing numbers of defaulting mortgages written for people who in fact could not afford to pay under those loans' actual terms. The firms who took on the risk of these instruments were likely to have above average defaults because of the terms of the loans (adjustable payments, etc.) and the subprime clientele. They were playing with "funny money."

        I think that BS can afford to lose $20B of funny money, because a alot of it wasn't theirs but was borrowed from a load of other sources (banks and other institutions, probably a good deal of it from offshore banks). The international financial system can easily withstand $20B of bad mortgages. I would like to see this author address how much of BS hedge money was in turn borrowed from foreign sources.

        I have seen other estimates that 10% to 20% of all subprime mortgages could go into default. This would not cause any major dislocation to the international financial system, which is where the funds for the losses came from, not just in America.
        Excuse me??? This is Marty Chenard. Pay attention. He is one of the greatest analysts on the planet!!!! Ask NBB. Ask anyone! River

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        • #5
          It comes across to me as alarmist and vague.

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          • riverbabe
            Senior Member
            • May 2005
            • 3373

            #6
            Originally posted by ParkTwain View Post
            It comes across to me as alarmist and vague.
            Hey, what the hell do I know? Only quoting a one guru. Love, Rverabe

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            • IIC
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2003
              • 14938

              #7
              Originally posted by ParkTwain View Post
              It comes across to me as alarmist and vague.
              And people should be alarmed...I've been saying that for over year.

              BTW...I hear condo prices are dropping like a rock in Vegas...Now my wife wants to buy one...Hey, maybe we can be neighbors.
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              • #8
                Condos in Vegas! Welcome to "easy street" baby!

                EasyStreet Realty Las Vegas is a leading Nevada real estate brokerage. EasyStreet's Realtors offer residential real estate brokerage services to both home buyers and home sellers.

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                • IIC
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 14938

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ParkTwain View Post
                  Condos in Vegas! Welcome to "easy street" baby! http://www.easystreetrealty-vegas.com/

                  That's funny because before I posted I googled condos in Vegas and that was the site I was looking at.

                  Geez...these are smaller than the townhouse I live in now...But it is just me and my wife now...Heck, maybe I'll retire and move to Vegas:

                  Page Not Found (404). The link may be invalid, some content changes frequently on this site.


                  http://www.easystreetrealty-vegas.co...ls.aspx?PID=51



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                  • New-born baby
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                    • Apr 2004
                    • 6095

                    #10
                    Originally posted by riverbabe View Post
                    Excuse me??? This is Marty Chenard. Pay attention. He is one of the greatest analysts on the planet!!!! Ask NBB. Ask anyone! River
                    Marty Chenard is a very sharp analyst. "Have stops; will invest."
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                    • IIC
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 14938

                      #11
                      I think Toby's next case should to go after the Analyst Agencies who took so long to downgrade these crooks... Moody's, SP etc.......
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