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  • mrmarket
    Administrator
    • Sep 2003
    • 5971

    VIT ==> The Nottingham Winner

    The Sino-Indian War, was a war between China and India that occurred in 1962. A disputed Himalayan border was the main pretext for war, but other issues played a role. There had been a series of violent border incidents after the 1959 Tibetan uprising, when India had granted asylum to the Dalai Lama. The war ended when the Chinese declared a ceasefire on 20 November 1962, and simultaneously announced its withdrawal from the disputed area.

    The war might not be over. Got a question about your bank statement? You call an 800 number and you get “Sammi” on the phone. Well Sammi tries really hard to sound like an American. He asks you “how about these Bears” and that if you saw them “keek touchdown yay”. You start to wonder where Sammi actually resides. Most likely he’s in India. But China’s not going to let that happen much longer.

    Statistically, the United States graduates roughly 70,000 undergraduate engineers annually. China graduates 600,000 and India 350,000. What we can’t do, India can do. What India can do, China can do better. VanceInfo (VIT) is just the company for us HUGE outsourcing fans.

    Yesterday I bought VIT at 37.57. I will sell it in 4 – 6 weeks at 43.46. Here’s why I like VIT:



    Well..that’s a heck of a chart, isn’t it? Look at its climb from the middle of July. Most charts like this keep going for at least a couple more months. They have a PE of 61 and the big hurdle ahead is the earnings announcement coming up on November 17th but the way these numbers have been coming in for similar companies recently, this should not be anything to fear. Earnings will most likely catapult the stock price higher.

    Vance found its humble start when it was actually selected by to recode its OS2 operating system into Chinese. Once they successfully completed that, VIT was hungry for new assignments. Vance today does work for IBM, Microsoft and a host of other multinational corporations. Now they are a front to back software solutions company.

    Want to know how good Vance is? There is a California systems company named TIBCO, that is run by an India-born chief executive, who nuked an Indian outsource company in favor of Vance. That’s loyalty for you.

    There is an American trend now to diversify out of Indian outsourcing and China has been ready to pick up the slack. A lot of multinational corporations already have tentacles in the Chinese market anyway – or they already operate in China. Vance can sell to these companies without even leaving home!

    So while China continues to quietly buy up our country (of the $2.1 Trillion of US debt held by foreign countries, a little less than one-fifth is held by China), they might as well have our jobs too. What makes China most interesting as an outsourcing destination is the cost. China is cheaper than India. An engineer who makes $100,000 a year in the US makes about $6,000 to 12,000 a year in China. If they are just as good too, then there’s not much of a decision is there? The initial Indian outsourcing boom has driven up these salaries in India, making them more expensive to outsourcing customers. Chinese universities can keep pumping out engineers as long as there is demand for them.

    VIT has been seen in the employment space gobbling up these engineers, which means that they have work for them to do which means that they are growing their revenues which means that their earnings will grow. Believe it or not even domestic Chinese companies are using outsourcing. Wow..what a great concept. Outsource your work to people in your own country. VanceInfo does IT work for the big Chinese banks and infrastructure companies.

    In August 2010, VanceInfo was selected to the 2010 Global Services "Top 10 Outsourced Product Development Vendors" list. This marks the first time a Chinese vendor has been selected by Global Services to be among the world's leading vendors of software research and development services. The "Top Outsourced Product Development Vendors" category is a subset of the overall Global Services 100 list that represents companies that serve mature global customers through advanced global delivery models, have a broad portfolio of service offerings or niche leadership, and have demonstrated business excellence.

    Now the beauty of VIT is that it is still small. While the gargantuan Indian outsourcing companies have revenue in the billions, VIT had only only $148 million in 2009 sales. However this makes growth opportunities so much more simplified. In 2009, VanceInfo's domestic China business grew more than 100% from 2008. It generated 40% of its 2009 sales from Chinese companies. Thirty-eight percent came from the U.S. and 15% from Europe. So they are making a lot of their money from “insourcing” ha ha ha $$$MR. MARKET$$$ just invented a new word.

    So do they make money?

    Second Quarter 2010 Financial and Operating Highlights:
    n Net revenues in the second quarter of 2010 increased to $51.8 million, up 49.8 % from $34.6 million in the second quarter of 2009.
    n Operating income in the second quarter of 2010 was $8.3 million, up 54.3% from $5.4 million in the second quarter of 2009.
    n Non-GAAP diluted EPS was $0.20 in the second quarter, up from $0.14 in the second quarter of 2009.

    The company's Q2 results showed a 43% rise in profit and a 50% gain in sales. Sales growth has actually increased from 44% to 47% to the now insane level of 50%. EPS growth has, of course, moved along with it. This company is a juggernaut. (Has anyone actually ever seen a juggernaut? Just sayin).

    The company has given us lots of guidance. Let me tell you something, when a company has a P/E of 61 and still has the balls to give guidance, you know they are going to blow these numbers out of the water. Otherwise their stock price would get massacred if they miss. VIT has given Outlook for the Third Quarter and Full Year 2010:

    -- Third quarter 2010 net revenues to be between $53.5 million and $54.5 million, representing a 33% to 36% increase from the corresponding period in 2009.

    -- Third quarter 2010 diluted EPS to be between $0.15 and $0.16 on a GAAP basis, and non-GAAP diluted EPS(1) to be between $0.18 and $0.19.

    Full year guidance as follows:

    -- 2010 net revenues to be at least $207 million, representing a 40% increase from 2009.

    -- 2010 diluted EPS to be between $0.66 and $0.70 on a GAAP basis, and between $0.77 and $0.81 on a non-GAAP basis.

    I have no idea how they possibly could be saying this with a straight face. Even the ANAL-ysts don’t believe them. ANALysts see full-year earnings rising 50% to 78 cents a share. They expect a 24% gain in 2011.

    Doesn’t anyone know how to brag anymore? When I play blackjack in the high roller section and my chips start to pile up, I yell out: “Can’t LOSE! CAN’T LOSE!! I am HUGE!”. Meanwhile my Asian friends next to me in the casino are winning more than me but they don’t say anything. Maybe it’s a cultural thing? Maybe they just don’t like hearing me yell?

    Anyway, $$$MR. MARKET$$$ knows that VIT is going to put up revenues of $220 million (oh by the way the dollar is crashing as QE2 prints more money..so this number can even go higher) which will generate earnings of $0.95/share. That takes your share price to $57.95 if they can sustain the PE of 61. As long as sales keep growing at this pace, that PE is going to stay up there.

    Here’s what the boss had to say about their revenue growth:

    "We are very pleased with our revenue growth and business momentum in the second quarter," said Chris Chen, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of VanceInfo. "The outstanding results were driven by our effective execution and increasing demand for our services across markets. We are also starting to gain traction in new business areas with a more diversified client base. While we remain alert about the uncertain global economic dynamics, we are confident of our ability to continue deliver strong business performance and drive shareholders' returns in the second half of 2010."

    How you can not like this man? He is MY MAN. Can’t wait to collect my profits on VIT.

    I am HUGE!!

    Bring me your finest meats and cheeses. Did you like this write up? You? YOU? YOU?? Tell a friend to sign up for free at www.mrmarketishuge.com

    $$$MR. MARKET$$$
    Last edited by mrmarket; 11-14-2010, 07:28 PM.
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    I am HUGE! Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.

    - $$$MR. MARKET$$$
  • billyjoe
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 9014

    #2
    Mr.Market,
    The VIT writeup is the greatest as usual. Nice to see that you don't descriminate by size, color, or national origin. You'll take $$ from anyone that hands it to you. Just remember to get 1 dollar for each 6.65663 yuans VIT makes you.

    -------------billy

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    • #3
      Incredible write-up as usual, MM, and always entertaining. This company is a juggernaut. (Has anyone actually ever seen a juggernaut? Just sayin). Hehe.

      I'm already a little ahead of the game but I may decide to stick it out until you hit your mark.

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      • steelman
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 648

        #4
        I am in. Great Pick $$$MM$$$!
        Best,
        Steel
        It's time to Grab the Bull by the Horns!

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        • jiesen
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2003
          • 5319

          #5
          I'm in, too!

          At 37.5... great pick, $$MM! VIT is going to be HUGE!!!

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          • mrmarket
            Administrator
            • Sep 2003
            • 5971

            #6
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            I am HUGE! Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.

            - $$$MR. MARKET$$$

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            • Evan
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 4

              #7
              Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, and still relatively new to investing in general. I just turned 24 and have been investing since June. Recently I have been making the transition from ETFs to individual stocks for the greater profit potential they offer. So far I am 3-and-1 in my picks, with one of my winners being DECK, which I identified from my own analysis before I had even found this forum (I haven't sold it yet, though, unlike MM). I took my first loss today when I was stopped out of my long position in SOLR.

              Anyway, I have a few questions. (From perusing the forum and reading all your posts it seems everyone else here is fairly seasoned at this, so I know I risk sounding dumb here, but please take it easy on me as I'm just trying to get better.)

              Looking at MM's track record I've decided to give one of his picks a shot. I bought VIT today at 35.11, under the logic that if it was a good buy at 37.50, it was an even better buy at that price. I put in a stop-loss at 32.88, a little below the 50-day MA.

              Now, VIT dropped about 8% since MM recommended it, but I attribute that to the broader market pullback over the last several sessions, not to any weakness in the stock itself. Still, I see a very clear trendline when connecting the lows on 8/19, 10/8, and 11/10. VIT broke below that trendline for the first time in the recent bearishness, and, perhaps more tellingly, today's rally failed precisely at that trendline.

              So here are my questios:
              1) Do you guys use technical analysis to a great degree in determining what stocks to buy and entry/exit points?

              2) If so, do you think the trendline action I mentioned should be heeded? Would it cause you to take a more cautionary stance on VIT?

              3) How do you determine where to place your stop-loss orders?

              By the way, I hope this isn't construed as me trying to challenge the stock-picking acumen of a Beast like MM (I bought a fairly large position in his recommendation, after all), I'm just airing some of my concerns, in the hopes that the responses from some of you more experienced fellows can help me learn.

              Thanks

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              • mrmarket
                Administrator
                • Sep 2003
                • 5971

                #8
                Originally posted by Evan View Post
                Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, and still relatively new to investing in general. I just turned 24 and have been investing since June. Recently I have been making the transition from ETFs to individual stocks for the greater profit potential they offer. So far I am 3-and-1 in my picks, with one of my winners being DECK, which I identified from my own analysis before I had even found this forum (I haven't sold it yet, though, unlike MM). I took my first loss today when I was stopped out of my long position in SOLR.

                Anyway, I have a few questions. (From perusing the forum and reading all your posts it seems everyone else here is fairly seasoned at this, so I know I risk sounding dumb here, but please take it easy on me as I'm just trying to get better.)

                Looking at MM's track record I've decided to give one of his picks a shot. I bought VIT today at 35.11, under the logic that if it was a good buy at 37.50, it was an even better buy at that price. I put in a stop-loss at 32.88, a little below the 50-day MA.

                Now, VIT dropped about 8% since MM recommended it, but I attribute that to the broader market pullback over the last several sessions, not to any weakness in the stock itself. Still, I see a very clear trendline when connecting the lows on 8/19, 10/8, and 11/10. VIT broke below that trendline for the first time in the recent bearishness, and, perhaps more tellingly, today's rally failed precisely at that trendline.

                So here are my questios:
                1) Do you guys use technical analysis to a great degree in determining what stocks to buy and entry/exit points?

                2) If so, do you think the trendline action I mentioned should be heeded? Would it cause you to take a more cautionary stance on VIT?

                3) How do you determine where to place your stop-loss orders?

                By the way, I hope this isn't construed as me trying to challenge the stock-picking acumen of a Beast like MM (I bought a fairly large position in his recommendation, after all), I'm just airing some of my concerns, in the hopes that the responses from some of you more experienced fellows can help me learn.

                Thanks
                Others may answer you differently, but I will respond from my perspective:

                1. I do not use technical analysis.
                2. I do not use stop losses. I keep my portfolio diversified so it doesn't bother me if any one stock takes a big hit. I will (and I have in the past) sell a loser if something fundamentally different occurs in the company or the market it serves.
                3. I don't make recommendations. I never have..never will. I generously share my picks on this free forum.

                Good luck.
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                I am HUGE! Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.

                - $$$MR. MARKET$$$

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                • Deaddog
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 740

                  #9
                  You can make TA come up with different scenarios depending on you bias.

                  If you connect the May low with the Aug low you end up at today’s low.

                  I look at today’s bar/candlestick as being a sign of strength. Didn’t close below the 50ma.

                  Double normal volume but traded off the lows to me means that there are buyers at this price. It’s the pros trading this kind of volume not us little guys. Sign of accumulation.

                  I wouldn’t be surprised to see it trade down and test todays lows but watch the volume. It should be much lighter.

                  Set your stop where you are comfortable with that loss. Everyones style of trading is different. If you find something that makes money just do it!!
                  It is hard to find the Truth when you start your search with a preconceived notion of what the Truth will be.

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                  • Evan
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 4

                    #10
                    You are right about the May-Aug-today trendline. I will now take both into account. I did notice the unusual volume today as well, close to TRIPLE the average. This should be interesting to watch in the coming weeks.
                    Last edited by Evan; 05-18-2011, 02:45 AM.

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                    • steelman
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 648

                      #11
                      Evan,
                      Welcome to the forum. There is NO doubt that $$$MM's$$$ picks are dead on especially with his Quantitative momentum modeling. Earnings are king. Fundamental Analysis should help you choose great companies. Personally I do use Technical Analysis for my entries and exits. There are some great chart readers here that go do a thorough TA. I am simple. I use full stochstics, MACDH and 30 day MA.

                      It sucks that the majority of stocks will follow the trend. Take VIT for example. A great company that took a hit this past week when the overall markets corrected. I don't sweat those dips because I am confident in the stock. I don't use stop losses but I do keep a very close eye if the stock dips below its 30 day MA by 3% because it may bounce. If not, I will sell.

                      I mostly trade options now, so I exit when I have made a comfortable gain It' a whole different strategy. Just make sure you define your own strategy, rules for exits and rules for managing your portfolio and investment amounts per trade. Good luck and as $$$MM$$$ once put it, this is like crack.
                      Best,
                      Steel
                      It's time to Grab the Bull by the Horns!

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                      • Evan
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 4

                        #12
                        steelman, thanks for the welcome.

                        BTW, I think I read another of your posts somewhere on this forum where you said you use Investools. Am I remembering correctly? The reason I ask is because I'm using Investools as well. It's very handy for quick Fundamental Analysis, and the arrows are helpful as well. Curious: Do you use the default settings for the MA, Stochastics, and MACD?

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                        • steelman
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 648

                          #13
                          You are correct. I do use Investools. I am a student of theirs too. I am currently taking their basic options class.

                          I really like Investools because of all the different pre-built search criteria they offer. I do use the default settings for MACDH, Stochastics. Since I found $$$Mr. Market$$$ and his forum and Investools, which has been about a year or so, my portfolio is up 300%. There are some great minds here. One of my favorite features is the projected price. I will put it this way, I am batting a 1000 when I buy with 3 green arrows, F/E score of 3.25 or more and projected price is at least double the current price per share.
                          Last edited by steelman; 11-18-2010, 05:44 PM.
                          Best,
                          Steel
                          It's time to Grab the Bull by the Horns!

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                          • mjrichmo
                            Member
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 87

                            #14
                            Earnings coming out the 28th....do we think it will pull this stock out of the coffers?

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                            • mjrichmo
                              Member
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 87

                              #15
                              Ouch. Thats gonna hurt

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