Verizon Stock (VZ) windfall or white elephant?

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  • billyjoe
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 9014

    Verizon Stock (VZ) windfall or white elephant?

    I preface this discussion with the admission that I'm stuck in the 50's or 60's technologically. Only the insistance of my wife got me acquainted with a computer and Divine Intervention somehow led me to Mr.Market's site.

    Not owning a cell phone and not even knowing how to operate one unless the wife or kids push the correct buttons , hand me the phone and say "speak", I'm completely unbiased as to what company is best. I hear talk of dead zones and only 1 bar but that's the extent of my knowledge.

    Then, all this talk of Verizon and the i-Phone showed up. My son several months ago said "Verizon is going to offer the i-Phone. That will be Huge". Jim Cramer and several other stock talkers have VZ on their favorite list for 2011.

    Let's look at Verizon. They currently have about 93 million U.S. wireless customers a virtual dead heat with AT&T. Fundamentally they trail AT&T with last 12 month sales at -3% and forecast earnings -5% (i-Phone not figured in). AT&T sales being 3% and earnings at 14%. They both pay hefty dividends over 5%.

    Verizon by most accounts will start offering the i-Phone later this month. Anticipated gains don't seem to be priced in as the stock price was in a range between 31.36 on 12/14/09 and 31.47 on 9/16/10. Since it has increased 14.1% to 35.78 not out of line with the general market.

    Let's look at the arguments for and against Verizon.

    Pros: AT&T, VZ's chief competitor ranks last by far in customer satisfaction and will lose 2.3 million customers in the first month as VZ offers the i-Phone 4. This will grow to 6 million new accounts in the coming months.

    Verizon is known for superior coverage and and cell reception. Jeff Nelson VZ director of corporate communication says "Our network is built for reliability, it's in our DNA". VZ has learned from AT&T's mistakes and can handle the great increases in data capacity.

    Also AT&T recently dropped their flat fee plan for unlimited data usage while VZ maintains theirs.

    Sprint and T-Mobile may be more at risk of losing customers as many of their account holders refused switching to AT&T but have been waiting for Verizon to offer the i-Phone.

    Verizon is expected to form a strong partnersip with AAPL by selling other products such as the i-Pod in their stores.

    Cons: Forrester Research says that initial problems the switch is sure to encounter make it not worth the trouble to change carriers. With AT&T switching to the improved 5th generation i-Phone probably in June, why would VZ customers sign long term contracts for phones that will be outdated in 5 months?

    AT&T also will have the option of offering cheaper Google Android headsets that have been well received by current users.

    VZ's contracts historically have been more expensive than AT&T's. Especially in this economy people will put up with some inconvenience to save a buck.

    AT&T will be pressured to improve their customer relations as they realize a serious threat that can no longer be ignored.

    AT&T has learned from their failures and doesn't believe that Verizon can handle the increased data capacity and traffic millions of instant new customers will entail.

    With 45% of VZ's wireless segment of the company owned by Vodaphone, VZ won't have enough free cash to continue their generous dividend.

    It might all come down to a battle between Apple's i-Phone and Google's Android.

    Who do you favor?

    ---------billy
  • riverbabe
    Senior Member
    • May 2005
    • 3373

    #2
    Long term hold in IRA of VZ from 31.33 and new buy in IRA of T @29.14. Hedging my bets. Current divi yield is 5.35 for VZ and 5.80 for T. Will be watching the price of both to decide which or both to hold for the divi or sell in the short term.

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    • Gary611
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 316

      #3
      Verizon IS gearing up!!

      As a long term holder of a few VZ shares, ( retired VZ guy) Verizon has been beefing up their cell sites over the last year in anticipation of the 4g phone. 10g? Yes, their cell sites have 10g capability!! This is in anticipation of transmitting FiOS in the future. It seems that running fiber to customers' homes was too steep a price in their initial roll out of FiOS; in the future, all that will be required is a small cell antenna at the side of the house!! I am holding on to my VZ, the dividend is fine.
      99 percent of Politicians give the rest a bad name.

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      • billyjoe
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2003
        • 9014

        #4
        River, Gary,

        If you both are confident enough to hold VZ, especially with Gary being a retiree, that just about makes it a no-brainer for me.

        -------------billy

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        • steelman
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 648

          #5
          Originally posted by Gary611 View Post
          As a long term holder of a few VZ shares, ( retired VZ guy) Verizon has been beefing up their cell sites over the last year in anticipation of the 4g phone. 10g? Yes, their cell sites have 10g capability!! This is in anticipation of transmitting FiOS in the future. It seems that running fiber to customers' homes was too steep a price in their initial roll out of FiOS; in the future, all that will be required is a small cell antenna at the side of the house!! I am holding on to my VZ, the dividend is fine.

          Gary,
          When does the 4g phone come out?
          Best,
          Steel
          It's time to Grab the Bull by the Horns!

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          • billyjoe
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2003
            • 9014

            #6
            I bought VZ today at 36.06

            ---------billy

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            • billyjoe
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2003
              • 9014

              #7
              This calls for a Whopper Jr.............and a senior drink !


              _wsj

              ----------billy

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              • Gary611
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2005
                • 316

                #8
                A VZ 4G World?

                Originally posted by steelman View Post
                Gary,
                When does the 4g phone come out?
                I believe most of the newer phones coming out are 4g, except the standard giveaways. This is wrong, my bad, read below:

                4G networks — the industry term for a next-generation network that provides broadband speeds or faster over a wireless connection, was created for access to the internet via your wireless phone quicker, it has no effect on phone quality or reception, your reception is based on distance from the nearest cell site.
                Verizon, which hasn't released a smartphone capable of accessing their 4G LTE network, revealed four smartphones Thursday: the HTC ThunderBolt, the LG Revolution, the Droid Bionic 4G and the Samsung 4G LTE Smartphone. All the phones have 4.3-inch touchscreens. The carrier also revealed a 4G-compatible version of the popular Samsung Galaxy Tab tablet.

                Now don't get me wrong here. As a former 401k Verizon employee, I saw VZ slide from nearly 70 down to 50 before I moved what I could out into other places. It slid further down to where it has been steady right now, I just own about 1000 shs now, the dividend helps, & the wireless side is the generator of profits for them. 1/11/11 is the unveiling of the iPhone from Apple, this will help VZ. This could be the rise of its' share price, finally!!
                Last edited by Gary611; 01-09-2011, 10:45 AM. Reason: Clarification
                99 percent of Politicians give the rest a bad name.

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                • riverbabe
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2005
                  • 3373

                  #9
                  Originally posted by billyjoe View Post
                  I'll drink to all of us! Glad you got in!

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                  • billyjoe
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 9014

                    #10
                    Today I sold my VZ and bought DBA with the $$. Just wasn't happy with VZ and see more longer term profitability in agriculture. This is my 2nd DBA purchase. The VZ trade is a wash. Heck, I don't even own a cell phone.


                    --------------billy

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