Autonomous Driving - How do we capitalize on it?

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  • blindsquirrel
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2014
    • 286

    Autonomous Driving - How do we capitalize on it?

    Technology and automation has generated some pretty major economic shifts in recent history. I believe autonomous driving can be a pretty big shift and it could happen pretty fast. Assuming it does and this economic shift is as big as I think it will be, then there will be significant movement of wealth taking place. As an investor that brings a couple of questions to my mind:

    1. What industries are going to win if autonomous driving turns out to be a change similar to horse-and-buggy being replaced by cars? What industries are going to lose?

    2. How can I take advantage of these changes with my investments?

    This is what I can see from here...

    Winners:

    - Shipping (UPS, FedEx, etc) because their human resource needs and inefficiencies fell through the floor.
    - Big retail (Walmart, etc) same reason as shipping. Walmart trucks will probably be autonomous before anyone else.
    - Mid to low income individuals. Car ownership will be unnecessary because it is way cheaper to push a button an be picked up by a robot than it is to buy, maintain, insure, and fuel a car of your own.
    - Battery Manufacturers. Specifically the types of batteries that go in electric cars.
    - Mobile data providers. People in vehicles will be consuming a lot of mobile data because they need not watch the road. The vehicles themselves will also need good mobile data service.
    - Individuals whose livelihood is NOT tied to the automotive industry. Me, for example, my monthly budget will no longer include "car". It will have "Uber" instead and the expense should be significantly less than "car".
    - People who want a safe drive and hate car accidents, road rage, and idiot drivers.

    Losers:

    - Car manufacturers. This new technology is actually shrinking the customer base for their product.
    - Auto related professions. Dealers, mechanics, drivers, auto parts stores. If there is a fraction of the cars on the road, then this industry will contract big-time.
    - Hotels. If you can push a button, get picked up in Chicago after work, eat supper and sleep in your autonomous car, and arrive in New York City before 8AM the next day well rested and prepared, then who would waste their money on a hotel room for a business trip?
    - Regional Airlines. See the reason for hotels.
    - Gas stations.
    - Oil and gas industry. This is where I'm thinking the largest disruption will be. If most vehicles on the road are autonomous vehicles that are a part of some corporate fleet (UPS or Uber or FedEx, etc), then I bet a lot of them will be electric. Not only will a lot be electric, but the total amount on the road will be exponentially lower. There will be a glut of oil and gas and nobody wanting to buy it. See THIS list of countries who depend upon oil and gas for survival.
    - Auto accident injury lawyers. (I'm not crying about this one)

    Timing - I've read estimates that have as soon as 2 years, to as long as 10 years. 10 years sounds very soon to me if we are talking about this profound of a change. That would mean some of our children may never drive a car.

    Some links for more reading:

    - http://www.businessinsider.com/china...lution-2017-12
    - https://seekingalpha.com/article/408...ing-revolution
    - https://www.recode.net/2017/4/19/153...ciety-mobility
    - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/02/how-...al-estate.html

    I'll post more in here as I come across more helpful articles. I'd love to hear insight, especially concerning how to capitalize on the wealth shift that would accompany this type of change. - Thanks!
    Last edited by blindsquirrel; 02-05-2018, 03:33 PM. Reason: fixing some spelling errors
    Math doesn't lie, but people do.
  • riverbabe
    Senior Member
    • May 2005
    • 3373

    #2
    Very thoughtful analysis! Thank you!

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    • blindsquirrel
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 286

      #3
      Another facet of autonomous driving is something like the autonomous air taxi featured in this article. One common thread across all autonomous platforms is the electric power source. This is why I think oil and gas demand will die very, very soon: http://fortune.com/2018/03/13/cora-k...xi-larry-page/
      Last edited by blindsquirrel; 03-13-2018, 01:54 PM. Reason: fixing a spelling error
      Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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      • Danielhaug
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2018
        • 3

        #4
        Too many things are becoming autonomous, I wonder why we still take our decisions ourselves, not with the help of a magic ball or something Maybe it's coming though
        I read that it the future self driving homes will replace regular homes https://tranio.com/world/spotlight/s...y-market_5354/ - which is kind of fun, but I don't see me living in such a moving house, I prefer my old house with a little patio and flowers.

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        • blindsquirrel
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 286

          #5
          I'll follow this story with interest. Public perception of autonomous driving vehicles is a big part of how quickly this tech will be adopted. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/19...olice-say.html
          Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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          • blindsquirrel
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2014
            • 286

            #6
            It appears the pedestrian was at fault in the first robot inflicted driving death for Uber. That isn't the official conclusion, but this article certainly makes that conclusion seem inevitable. The car was self-driving appropriately 5 MPG below posted limits and the pedestrian was jay-walking out of a wooded median...

            The death of a woman who was struck by an autonomous car operated by Uber is believed to be the first pedestrian fatality associated with self-driving technology. Newly released video offers clues about what happened.
            Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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            • blindsquirrel
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2014
              • 286

              #7
              A good article on the topic (link below). The writer points out a use by restaurants that I hadn't considered. I would love to open an Olive Garden app and order a meal that pulls into my driveway in 20 minutes autonomously, or picks me up at work with a meal laid out and hot for me to enjoy on my way to a meeting in the next town. The writer also echos my sentiment that autonomous driving is an economical certainty.

              Driverless cars are coming and there's nothing you can do about it. Most people say they wouldn't buy one, but that won't stop manufacturers from focusing on autonomous vehicles.
              Last edited by blindsquirrel; 08-20-2018, 12:41 PM.
              Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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              • blindsquirrel
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 286

                #8
                Waymo is staying out of the news unlike Tesla and Uber but is way out in front of the competition. When they are ready to go live to the public we will see them in the news a lot. So is buying Alphabet stock the best autonomous driving long-term play right now? https://storage.googleapis.com/sdc-p...driven-8-2.png
                Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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                • blindsquirrel
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 286

                  #9
                  Another update on Waymo: https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/21/1...eet-management
                  Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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                  • blindsquirrel
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 286

                    #10
                    Another article that makes Alphabet sound like the best autonomous driving investment right now. https://www.barrons.com/articles/thi...sla-1534958297
                    Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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                    • BlueWolf
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1076

                      #11
                      Another stock to consider, Blindsquirrel, is AAPL. It looks they really are planning to get into the car business. I recently the following article about some of the patents Apple has filed.

                      Not much is known about Apple's electric car project, but two new patents could reveal some of the company's user experience-centric approach.


                      It’s impressive. The timeline I have most commonly seen is 2023-2025 for release of the car. You could consider buying some AAPL on it’s current merits and sit on it as a long term investment. AAPL is very extended on its chart right now, so I would wait for a pullback, but it’s something to consider if you’re not already in AAPL.

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                      • blindsquirrel
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 286

                        #12
                        A new article outlining the investment opportunities as they stand right now. Alphabet is the clear front runner.

                        No other company can match the combination of technology, experience, and partnerships that Alphabet's Waymo has already forged.
                        Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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                        • sixfeetfour
                          Member
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 89

                          #13
                          A few more impacts to society will be the following:

                          Injury Lawyers/ticket lawyers. With autonomous vehicles accidents should reduce.

                          Doctors/hospitals/ambulance services. See above reason.

                          Insurance companies more profitable. With less accidents, less payouts = more retainage of insurance premiums, or will our premiums be dropped/eliminated?

                          All delivery services profits increase. From large companies Uber/FedEx to pizza delivery/parts delivery.

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                          • blindsquirrel
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 286

                            #14
                            A key regulation hurdle is being addressed here. Steering wheel and pedals aren't required: https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/4/1...sa-elaine-chao
                            Math doesn't lie, but people do.

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