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  • jiesen
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2003
    • 5320

    #46
    CME contract rates

    I guess I'll have to get used to the idea of my March 230 calls expiring worthless next week, but it was exciting seeing them trade at $5 for a day, after I got in at $1.

    Well, I did my duty as shareholder by calling CME Investor Relations to bug them about why the stock isn't going up. I actually got ahold of John Peschier, though, and was able to ask him some questions about contract rates.

    It seems to me that the perception right now is that because contract rates are dropping as the volume picks up in the lower-cost contracts, like the interest rate hedges. This in turn lowers the expected profit growth.

    However, as John explained it to me, the 70 cents per contract for the electronic trades are much more profitable than the 56 cents made on trades that go to the floor, since the floor traders have to take their cut out of those trades. So actually, the increase in the volume of the 70 cent contracts is a very good thing, and the rates are extremely competetive with the European exchanges, enough that CME pretty much dominates them. He went on to say that CME is well-leveraged, and that the 4th quarter 50% growth rate is the best in their business. He mentioned that rates have been increased for their screening tool, from $30 to $35 per screen, which has made them an extra $2,000,000 in revenues per quarter since, and that rates are constantly being analyzed for opportunity to maximize profits.

    So, from what I gather, as long as they keep doing what they've been doing, we will see our 260 one of these days. I wish it could be next week, but I'll take it when it comes.

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    • jiesen
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2003
      • 5320

      #47
      I provided John with an excerpt from my post for his review (so I wouldn't end up grossly misquoting him), and he provided me with this additional clarification:

      Both the electronic and open outcry activity have high profitability, but we capture more revenue from an electronic trade at 70 cents than open outcry at 56 cents. In terms of the rates, our member rates are well below the European exchanges, however, the primary consideration for traders is the liquidity in the products, or how tight the bid ask spread is. With regard to the 4th quarter I mentioned the 50% operating margin which is strong, and more recently in Q1 we have had strong volume growth compared to our competitors. For the screening tool you mentioned, that is called market quotation data fees which we disseminate through providers like Reuters and Bloomberg.

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      • jiesen
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2003
        • 5320

        #48
        CME chat on Yahoo!

        All very good questions cmenewbie!
        Though even if I wanted to do the necessary digging to find the answers, I'm sure you'd still be much better served by contacting CME's IR for the answers (and posting them here would be even more appreciated) than by taking my word for it.

        From my brief chat with John, it was obvious that he knows this company like the back of his hand, and would be more than capable of answering these and any other questions you had for him.

        Re: contract rates
        by: cmenewbie
        03/07/05 07:14 pm
        Msg: 18691 of 18704

        sorry, one more?

        In order to compare Q1 05 to Q1 04, I need to know if the two types of rates are the same YOY? ie, floor 04 = floor 05?

        I know the profit percentage for the business is different. I mean RPC.

        Thanks again.

        Re: contract rates--thanks and ??
        by: cmenewbie
        03/07/05 07:07 pm
        Msg: 18690 of 18704

        A simply super post. Thank you.

        Can someone clarify something for my simple mind, please?

        I see the 56cents and 70cents as floor and Globex respectively.

        1. is that correct?

        2. I thought the BILL P. disclaimer was re: memeber vs. non-member rates.
        A.Is that a third number?
        b. or is member # the "floor" number ie 56 cents and Globex 70 the non-member?

        3. I also thought Bill said
        A.there was an increase in the "cheaper" rate volume? did he mean gross increase and NOT increased percentage?
        B.there certainly seems to be an increase in Globex volume as a percent of the whole? NO?

        C. this current post, I read to say, that Globex actually generates more profit (he said revenue)?

        "So actually, the increase in the volume of the 70 cent contracts is a very good thing,"

        but we capture more revenue from an electronic trade at 70 cents than open outcry at 56 cents


        If you can understand my "questions" and have time to point me in the right direction, then thanks in advance.
        Newbie




        Subj: contract rates
        By: jiesen
        Date: 03/07/05 06:39 pm

        I spoke to IR about the issue of CME's contract rates, and a transcript can be seen here:
        (link to this page)

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        • #49
          upgraded CME

          UBS overnight upgraded its rating on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) to "neutral" from "reduce" and lifted its first quarter earnings per share estimate to $1.98 from $1.93, ahead of the consensus at $1.92 a share from the analysts. "Given robust first quarter 2005 volume... concurrent open interest growth, product/market opportunities, cash, and rising estimates, we're upping our mid-term growth estimate (and) price target to $207," the broker said.

          CME went up $5 today and hopefully, it will make its ascent within the next few months towards the $MM$ target.

          Btw, has $MM$ made his new pick yet?
          Last edited by Guest; 03-21-2005, 07:42 PM. Reason: FYI

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          • billyjoe
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2003
            • 9014

            #50
            Big earnings announcement this morning. Mr. Market correct again !


            billyjoe

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            • billyjoe
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2003
              • 9014

              #51
              Well whadduyuknow, CME made some money and doesn't look like a good short to me. Maybe they'll merge with the mint and eliminate the middleman.


              billyjoe

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              • New-born baby
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2004
                • 6095

                #52
                Cme Short

                Spike,

                Could you comment on this chart? Am I reading it correctly?
                Thanks!

                pivot calculator *current oil price*My stock picking method*Charting Lesson of the Week:BEAR FLAG PATTERN

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                • mrmarket
                  Administrator
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 5971

                  #53
                  This company just prints money. I can't believe anyone sold it. All the weak sellers are gone. Blue skies now:

                  RESEARCH ALERT-Keefe Bruyette raises CME estimate
                  Thu Jun 2, 2005 11:59 AM ET
                  CHICAGO (Reuters) - Brokerage firm Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Thursday raised its earnings forecast for Chicago Mercantile Exchange Holdings to reflect the largest U.S. futures exchange's strong trading volumes.
                  The fourth-quarter forecast was raised to $2.35 per share from $2.20 and just above the Wall Street average of $2.33.

                  "Volumes are trending ahead of our expectations while the rate per contract has been in line with our forecast," Keefe, Bruyette analyst Lauren Smith said in a research note.

                  CME on Wednesday reported a 17 percent decline in average daily volume in May after four consecutive record monthly highs.

                  "We expected CME volumes would cool somewhat. However, we expect June could be another strong month as both equity standard and foreign exchange contracts must be rolled over," Smith said.

                  CME shares rose 2 percent at the open to $218.20 on the New York Stock Exchange on Thursday after reaching a three-month high of $217.93 on Wednesday.
                  =============================

                  I am HUGE! Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.

                  - $$$MR. MARKET$$$

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                  • mrmarket
                    Administrator
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5971

                    #54
                    up another $9

                    As Howard Cosell said, "Look at that little monkey go!"
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                    I am HUGE! Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.

                    - $$$MR. MARKET$$$

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                    • jiesen
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 5320

                      #55
                      Originally posted by mrmarket
                      As Howard Cosell said, "Look at that little monkey go!"
                      make that 12! more than half-way there now. Damn, now I REALLY wish I'd bought Jun 230 calls...

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                      • buckhunter

                        #56
                        "That little monkey"

                        LOL - One of the greatest moments in MNF history!

                        I just hit my 15%, but I hate to jump off a speeding train. I'm glad I listened to $$MM when he kept saying "earnings, earnings, earnings" when this little monkey was down around $165/share.

                        I just wish I would have bought the calls like you did!

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                        • jiesen
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 5320

                          #57
                          Originally posted by buckhunter
                          LOL - One of the greatest moments in MNF history!

                          I just hit my 15%, but I hate to jump off a speeding train. I'm glad I listened to $$MM when he kept saying "earnings, earnings, earnings" when this little monkey was down around $165/share.

                          I just wish I would have bought the calls like you did!
                          no you don't. The calls I bought expired worthless in March. Had I waited until Tuesday to buy Jun 230 instead of Mar 230, I'd be about $3000 richer right now.

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                          • jiesen
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 5320

                            #58
                            CME - almost there...

                            CME is on the move again!

                            http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CME&t=5d

                            Does it have enough momentum to carry it to 260? looks like it'll get there this week to me.

                            The jokers who downgraded this today also raised their price target to 265. go figure!

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                            • jiesen
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 5320

                              #59
                              ok, we passed 257, and I'm trying to sell here, but Scottrade is saying that "trading is turned off...try later!" can you believe that?

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                              • jiesen
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 5320

                                #60
                                CME sold (half of it anyway)

                                Well, at least my limit order hit for half of my shares at 257.6. The rest I guess I'll hold, at least until Scottrade gets their trading system back online. Hopefully CME will be over 260 by then.

                                Thanks of this pick, $$MM, you are HUGE!!!!

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