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  • billyjoe
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 9014

    How about a play on Salesforce.com (CRM) as a merger candidate with GOOG. The CRM CEO just showed a Cheshire Cat type grin when asked about it. I don't think he could even offer a "no comment".

    --------------billy

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    • New-born baby
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2004
      • 6095

      Originally posted by billyjoe View Post
      How about a play on Salesforce.com (CRM) as a merger candidate with GOOG. The CRM CEO just showed a Cheshire Cat type grin when asked about it. I don't think he could even offer a "no comment".

      --------------billy
      Interesting chart for CRM, Billy. The weekly shows an ascending triangle formation (very bullish) or else a double top (very bearish). This thing is either going to birth a monster bull (target is $87) or else a monster bear. PnF says its the latter with a target of $51.

      Conservative traders would wait for the breakout confirmation above $66.09, or a bust of the trendline at about $57.50 to short it. If you like Cheshire cat grins as a bull signal [in Kentucky we don't say it that way; we say, "He's smiling like the possum which just kicked over the garbage can"], then a safer play would be to buy a call, perhaps the July $65 strike.

      What are you going to do?
      pivot calculator *current oil price*My stock picking method*Charting Lesson of the Week:BEAR FLAG PATTERN

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      • New-born baby
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2004
        • 6095

        Originally posted by jiesen View Post
        Well, if you consider that a quarter of the ads I used to see on Google were for subprime mortgages (now, not so much), and since that business is certainly less lucrative now than it was last year, it does make sense for the ad revenue to be lower than previous projections...
        The person who made the bear earnings call is highly respected by me for his FA.
        pivot calculator *current oil price*My stock picking method*Charting Lesson of the Week:BEAR FLAG PATTERN

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        • spikefader
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2004
          • 7175

          I'm with New-born.

          This was what I said about GOOG today in chat when Riverbabe asked me:
          " 15 Apr 08, 09:32: River, for GOOG, I tink while price is under 457.49 it is vulnerable t' fall t' 300.65. That is the bearish gapfib target from the Jan 18 '06 gap down. Aye, it's a good while ago that.....but the rules say that while price is below that 457.49 level, that bearish target is open and valid. While price is above it, it's no longer open and valid. So the gap that the gapfib is calculated off is the critical line in the sand for it. There is a smaller bullish gapfib target of 508.20 from the recent gap on March 24 this year....stops under 437.72 or 435.70 area. Frankly, the price action after the Feb 26 gap up on volume has been less than inspiring for bulls. I tink on the yearly candle chart (1 year per candle) We be seeing an impulse 2 down, and 300 is within reasonable expectation for it."
          Chart at http://technicaltrades.net/Scuttlebu...ts/GOOG.lt.gif
          Some others at http://technicaltrades.net/Scuttlebutt/charts/goog.html (patience while they load)

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          • New-born baby
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2004
            • 6095

            Originally posted by spikefader View Post
            I'm with New-born.

            This was what I said about GOOG today in chat when Riverbabe asked me:
            Gag a maggot, Spike! And the PnF turned bearish on 4/11, looking for $317, too.

            Is GooG going to be the spark that marks the stock market crash of 2008?

            Get your shorts ready, people. For $1.65 you can buy a GooG Apr $400 put. That means if earnings fail, and she falls through the $400 marker, you'd be in the money. And the most you can lose is $165.

            Thanks for the post, Spike. I like to read your take on any stock.
            pivot calculator *current oil price*My stock picking method*Charting Lesson of the Week:BEAR FLAG PATTERN

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            • billyjoe
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2003
              • 9014

              Originally posted by New-born baby View Post
              Interesting chart for CRM, Billy. The weekly shows an ascending triangle formation (very bullish) or else a double top (very bearish). This thing is either going to birth a monster bull (target is $87) or else a monster bear. PnF says its the latter with a target of $51.

              Conservative traders would wait for the breakout confirmation above $66.09, or a bust of the trendline at about $57.50 to short it. If you like Cheshire cat grins as a bull signal [in Kentucky we don't say it that way; we say, "He's smiling like the possum which just kicked over the garbage can"], then a safer play would be to buy a call, perhaps the July $65 strike.

              What are you going to do?
              New-born,
              We also have another name for that grin which I won't mention. I'm going to do nothing. That seems the best thing to do at this time. For some reason I sold all my GOOG at 700+. Dumb luck.

              ----------------billy

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              • New-born baby
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2004
                • 6095

                Originally posted by billyjoe View Post
                New-born,
                We also have another name for that grin which I won't mention. I'm going to do nothing. That seems the best thing to do at this time. For some reason I sold all my GOOG at 700+. Dumb luck.

                ----------------billy
                I'd say that is smart luck, if any luck was involved at all. HUGE congrats to you, Billy. And may you have many, many more big winnahs.

                I'd say if GooG takes a big hit, AAPL and RIMM are not far behind it.

                Just for the readers' information, GooG reports AFTER THE CLOSE. Friday is options expiration, too, and it is going to be a fearful commotion if GooG falls short of expectations.
                pivot calculator *current oil price*My stock picking method*Charting Lesson of the Week:BEAR FLAG PATTERN

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                • billyjoe
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 9014

                  Originally posted by New-born baby View Post
                  I'd say that is smart luck, if any luck was involved at all. HUGE congrats to you, Billy. And may you have many, many more big winnahs.

                  I'd say if GooG takes a big hit, AAPL and RIMM are not far behind it.

                  Just for the readers' information, GooG reports AFTER THE CLOSE. Friday is options expiration, too, and it is going to be a fearful commotion if GooG falls short of expectations.
                  New-born,
                  I hope you're wrong cause I've got AAPL and RIMM. RIMM just reported great earnings so they're somewhat insulated and AAPL will soon announce a product that will amaze everyone.

                  ---------------billy

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                  • IIC
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 14938

                    Two thoughts come to mind as far as GOOG:

                    1) They make it extremely difficult to run a cost effective campaign for small business...I believe I expanded on that previously but they just go through and either wipe out your keywords or they raise the price per click to some aastronomical amount...However, as far as my stock site they do make it reasonable outside the US and I got my max every day when I did that at a cheap price.

                    2) Although Google Clicks pay pretty good on stock sites I went back and checked my click-thru rate. This year it is only 0.45%...last year it was .98%. That means I'm only getting one click for every 200 page views.

                    There are probably a few reasons for this...Last year it was new and I did some advertising...This year probably most visitors are repeaters altho I've been getting quite a few newbies the past 2 weeks due to some things I've done...But the repeaters are less likely to click on the GOOG ads...especially because the variety of ads is not very wide...Who wants to click on an add they already saw 2 weeks ago?

                    On my coupon site I get over a 10% CTR...Unfortuanately those types of ads pay very little per click.

                    When we used to have F-Links we got about a 2.5% CTR.

                    Overall, between making it tough to place ads for catagories like stocks and the fact that people get tired of seeing the same old ads I think that GOOG ads probably already reached their peak...or are at least in a long term plateau until they come up with an improved plan....Some of their newer ad plans are not known by 90%+ (???) of the potential small customers.
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                    • peanuts
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 3365

                      Originally posted by IIC View Post
                      ...the variety of ads is not very wide...Who wants to click on an add they already saw 2 weeks ago?....
                      Now, this is a most interesting and thought provoking statement!

                      Other questions might be:

                      "What type of person has the purchasing power AND can be stimulated to learn more about a product through an internet ad?"

                      "Do people ignore ads more frequently when they have less disposable funds?"

                      "Are the type of people who normally ignore most ads going to be stimulated to learn more about a product if they see the same ad more frequently?"

                      "Are the type of people who read all ads less likely to buy or learn more about a product if they see an ad more frequently?"

                      I would be willing to bet riverbabe's bikini straps that if people are feeling like money is tight and they are looking to spend less, then the frequency of them entertaining internet ads decreases substantially. I would go on to place an even bigger bet on spikefader's one good eye that this fact could affect the ad-clicking revenue-generating segment of Google's business.
                      Hide not your talents.
                      They for use were made.
                      What's a sundial in the shade?

                      - Benjamin Franklin

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                      • New-born baby
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 6095

                        Originally posted by IIC View Post
                        Two thoughts come to mind as far as GOOG:

                        1) They make it extremely difficult to run a cost effective campaign for small business...I believe I expanded on that previously but they just go through and either wipe out your keywords or they raise the price per click to some aastronomical amount...However, as far as my stock site they do make it reasonable outside the US and I got my max every day when I did that at a cheap price.

                        2) Although Google Clicks pay pretty good on stock sites I went back and checked my click-thru rate. This year it is only 0.45%...last year it was .98%. That means I'm only getting one click for every 200 page views.

                        There are probably a few reasons for this...Last year it was new and I did some advertising...This year probably most visitors are repeaters altho I've been getting quite a few newbies the past 2 weeks due to some things I've done...But the repeaters are less likely to click on the GOOG ads...especially because the variety of ads is not very wide...Who wants to click on an add they already saw 2 weeks ago?

                        On my coupon site I get over a 10% CTR...Unfortuanately those types of ads pay very little per click.

                        When we used to have F-Links we got about a 2.5% CTR.

                        Overall, between making it tough to place ads for catagories like stocks and the fact that people get tired of seeing the same old ads I think that GOOG ads probably already reached their peak...or are at least in a long term plateau until they come up with an improved plan....Some of their newer ad plans are not known by 90%+ (???) of the potential small customers.

                        My "person" says ad revenue is going to disappoint. I believe it.
                        pivot calculator *current oil price*My stock picking method*Charting Lesson of the Week:BEAR FLAG PATTERN

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                        • IIC
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 14938

                          Originally posted by peanuts View Post
                          Now, this is a most interesting and thought provoking statement!

                          Other questions might be:

                          "What type of person has the purchasing power AND can be stimulated to learn more about a product through an internet ad?"

                          "Do people ignore ads more frequently when they have less disposable funds?"

                          "Are the type of people who normally ignore most ads going to be stimulated to learn more about a product if they see the same ad more frequently?"

                          "Are the type of people who read all ads less likely to buy or learn more about a product if they see an ad more frequently?"

                          I would be willing to bet riverbabe's bikini straps that if people are feeling like money is tight and they are looking to spend less, then the frequency of them entertaining internet ads decreases substantially. I would go on to place an even bigger bet on spikefader's one good eye that this fact could affect the ad-clicking revenue-generating segment of Google's business.
                          You do make some interesting points Peanuts...And of course it is true that saturation can pay off as people don't normally act the first, second or even third time they are exposed...But the GOOG ads...And I'm a BIG ad fan...Seem to be getting mundane to me.

                          I don't know the answer...But another thought I had after my post is that many business owners expect unrealistic results from their advertising....You don't spend $1,000 bux on GOOG ads and make $100 Grand...So many come and go I guess...What many small biz owners need to understand is the power of repeat biz and referrals...But most can't comprehend that concept and subsequently fail.

                          Just my rambling thots...thx...Doug
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                          • IIC
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 14938

                            Bloomberg reports Google (GOOG) saw a 1.8% increase in ad-clicks during the last quarter. In addition, a Lehman Brothers analyst who cited data from ComScore said clicks on Google’s sponsored links rose 2.7% in the last month of the quarter. The world’s most popular search engine depends on ad clicks for most of its revenue which totaled $16.6 bln for 2007. The company reports 1Q results tomorrow after the closing bell. Analysts expect sales to rise 42% to $3.59 bln. Todd mentioned Google last week in his Random Thoughts.
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                            • riverbabe
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2005
                              • 3373

                              Originally posted by IIC View Post
                              Bloomberg reports Google (GOOG) saw a 1.8% increase in ad-clicks during the last quarter. In addition, a Lehman Brothers analyst who cited data from ComScore said clicks on Google’s sponsored links rose 2.7% in the last month of the quarter. The world’s most popular search engine depends on ad clicks for most of its revenue which totaled $16.6 bln for 2007. The company reports 1Q results tomorrow after the closing bell. Analysts expect sales to rise 42% to $3.59 bln. Todd mentioned Google last week in his Random Thoughts.
                              And I just sold all my GOOG! Also shorted it in another contest! Batting about .500 here!

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                              • IIC
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 14938

                                But Barron's ahs this:

                                April 16, 2008, 9:27 am
                                For Google A New Month, Same Story: Weak Paid Clicks

                                Posted by Eric Savitz
                                For the third month in a row, ComScore data shows signs of weakness in Google’s (GOOG) paid clicks, leaving investors to wonder about the company’s upcoming first quarter earnings report, which is due after the close on Thursday.
                                Google’s paid clicks in March were up 2.7% year over year. That follows a 3.1% rise in February and a 0.3% drop in January. For the quarter, paid clicks were up 1.8%. Conditions were even worse for some of Google’s rivals, with Yahoo (YHOO) down 3.1% in March, Microsoft’s (MSFT) MSN down 15.1%, and Time Warner’s (TWX) AOL down 2.3%.
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