A Humble Request

[Louetta]

Rob,
Your request is having an effect. With over 2000 members it's impossible to stop everyone from profanity and they'll always be a few who will go out of their way to cuss when it will get someone's attention. I'm thinking twice about what I say here. New-born might bring a lightning bolt down on me . Overall this is the best group I've conversed with on the net. Most of us are trying to better ourselves and in doing that will have a positive effect on the younger members such as Gwhiz and Stickytreat. Heck, even Peanuts is giving more thought before he posts. Wouldn't we all have gained from positive influences 30 or more years ago? I wish I had someone to talk stocks with as a teenager. Rob, your actions have a more positive effect than you'll ever know. We sure need you on this forum in any capacity you choose.

---------billyjoe

I wouldst opine on this subject. If I'm in a class with 100 boys, invariably 99 are perfectly well behaved and 1 is a jerk who needs to do something to get attention and can only get it by being obnoxious. I've have found it best to ignore said 100th boy. (If he follows you home you get the male swimmers to threaten him with a knuckle sandwich.)

[Louetta]

Problem is most fail to see the bigger picture. Unless you got deep pockets or parents with deep pockets most spend several years paying the school debt off. Then many end up in a job climbing the ladder only to find out the ladder in leaning on the wrong wall. Or they fire you because they will just hire two college kids and pay them less. Or they go through a corporate restructuring and this means your job is no longer needed. They pump you up in the beginning promises promises. Yea they even give you your own office and if you’re lucky you might even have windows to stare out of. hehe Oh but I love my job life is sweet. Well if you love it so much do it for free. Tell the boss you don’t need that 100K SALLERY (intelligent term meaning “we own you’). Just thinking out loud…

Most people I know would be happy to pay off their loans in "several" years. The rest of its horse.. oops, sorry, no swearing. Stay away from people who tell you that effort doesn't pay off. I started swimming and it got me four years in college.

[IIC]

Let me set the record straight...I was not saying that one should not seek a graduate degree...Heck, I'd say a masters from Harvard is worth its weight in gold. What I was saying that "IMO" a life in Academia is not what I would want to do. But that's just me...Doesn't mean that it is not right for Louetta or anyone else here.

We have some friends that have a daughter that graduated (Bachelor's) from Penn a couple years ago...She didn't get as many job offers as she expected but she did get some...She took one with some accounting firm for $50k to start...Not bad for a 21 year old IMO.

A degree from an Ivy League school and some other schools e.g. Stanford are very valuable in the working world....Doug

[IIC]

Problem is most fail to see the bigger picture. Unless you got deep pockets or parents with deep pockets most spend several years paying the school debt off. Then many end up in a job climbing the ladder only to find out the ladder in leaning on the wrong wall. Or they fire you because they will just hire two college kids and pay them less. Or they go through a corporate restructuring and this means your job is no longer needed. They pump you up in the beginning promises promises. Yea they even give you your own office and if you’re lucky you might even have windows to stare out of. hehe Oh but I love my job life is sweet. Well if you love it so much do it for free. Tell the boss you don’t need that 100K SALLERY (intelligent term meaning “we own you’). Just thinking out loud…

Runner...I think we had this college/ no college discussion quite a while ago. Fact is that a degree opens doors that may not be available w/o it...But that does not mean that one cannot become Super Successful w/o a degree...Doug(IIC)

[Runner]

Most people I know would be happy to pay off their loans in "several" years. The rest of its horse.. oops, sorry, no swearing. Stay away from people who tell you that effort doesn't pay off. I started swimming and it got me four years in college.

I know a little about effort and to tell ya the truth I had to do what I did to eat. You would be surprised what we can do when the going really gets tough. My schooling was not formal or from the classrooms. I think if one is seeking freedom and satisfaction then business ownership is the only way to go. It takes guts when it is up to you weather you make it or not. I think Jobs suck. They never pay you what your worth. In reality they only pay you what the job is worth. Look around and see what is happening in this country!

[Louetta]

Let me set the record straight...I was not saying that one should not seek a graduate degree...Heck, I'd say a masters from Harvard is worth its weight in gold. What I was saying that "IMO" a life in Academia is not what I would want to do. But that's just me...Doesn't mean that it is not right for Louetta or anyone else here.

We have some friends that have a daughter that graduated (Bachelor's) from Penn a couple years ago...She didn't get as many job offers as she expected but she did get some...She took one with some accounting firm for $50k to start...Not bad for a 21 year old IMO.

A degree from an Ivy League school and some other schools e.g. Stanford are very valuable in the working world....Doug

I'm not arguing that. But I am convinced that if you get the opportunity and can spare the time out of your life you should try to milk the college opportunity not because of any material benefits later on but because of the once in a lifetime quality of life experiences you get.

[Louetta]

Runner...I think we had this college/ no college discussion quite a while ago. Fact is that a degree opens doors that may not be available w/o it...But that does not mean that one cannot become Super Successful w/o a degree...Doug(IIC)

Gates, Allen...

[billyjoe]

I wouldst opine on this subject. If I'm in a class with 100 boys, invariably 99 are perfectly well behaved and 1 is a jerk who needs to do something to get attention and can only get it by being obnoxious. I've have found it best to ignore said 100th boy. (If he follows you home you get the male swimmers to threaten him with a knuckle sandwich.)

Lou,
Many swimmers seem to be laid back , but they certainly are stronger than most imagine. I hope you keep up with some physical fitness activities even if swimming is over. My son got 3rd place in a sprint triathlon. The swimming portion was in Lake Erie and he was 9th out of the water out of 100 or so and that was just with a high school swimming background. He was embarrassed when a 60+ year old lady passed him in the cycling portion, but it turned out she traveled all over the U.S. and was a high placer nationally.

------------billyjoe

[IIC]

I'm not arguing that. But I am convinced that if you get the opportunity and can spare the time out of your life you should try to milk the college opportunity not because of any material benefits later on but because of the once in a lifetime quality of life experiences you get.

Yeah...I majored in Sports, Food, Beer and Girls...What did you say your major was???

[Louetta]

Lou,
Many swimmers seem to be laid back , but they certainly are stronger than most imagine. I hope you keep up with some physical fitness activities even if swimming is over. My son got 3rd place in a sprint triathlon. The swimming portion was in Lake Erie and he was 9th out of the water out of 100 or so and that was just with a high school swimming background. He was embarrassed when a 60+ year old lady passed him in the cycling portion, but it turned out she traveled all over the U.S. and was a high placer nationally.

------------billyjoe

I'll keep it up but cycling seems to be a real problem in triathlon. The local races seem weighted towards cycling and even if you clobber people by several minutes in a 1 mile swim they make it back fast in the cycle if they have the proper background. But it would be fun to compete.

[Louetta]

Yeah...I majored in Sports, Food, Beer and Girls...What did you say your major was???

English as an undergrad. I was too young to drink, don't care for girls, enjoyed sports and within reason could eat what I wanted since I was young and got a lot of exercise.

[billyjoe]

I'll keep it up but cycling seems to be a real problem in triathlon. The local races seem weighted towards cycling and even if you clobber people by several minutes in a 1 mile swim they make it back fast in the cycle if they have the proper background. But it would be fun to compete.

Lou,
I agree. Lots of the contestants had years of cycling experience and it showed. My son probably enjoys cycling the most , but lost the most ground during that portion of the race. He also ran cross country for 5 years and was varsity but not spectacular and held up well in that part.

-------------billyjoe

[Mary]

Thread Hijacking

I was just thinking that this thread started out asking for the forum to ease up on the use of profanity. Now we've evolved into Louetta and her post grad work. And the transition was so subtle.

In response to this, Louetta said, "Maybe we should get back to my grad work. Actually I spent several hours reading about how to meditate better, my sessions lately have been very sloppy. So is my backstroke for that matter, though my eligibility is gone so it doesn't really matter. And I missed this rally. Hmm."

I respectfully disagree. In other forums I belong to, this is called "hijacking." When you want to talk about something completely different than what the person who started the thread wants to talk about, it's better to create a new thread than it is to hijack the topic of the original thread.

Mary

[IIC]

English as an undergrad. I was too young to drink, don't care for girls, enjoyed sports and within reason could eat what I wanted since I was young and got a lot of exercise.

When I went to U. of Nebraska the first year the drinking age was 19...Couldn't get in bars but there were plenty of parties...When I was a Soph they lowered the drinking age in NE to 18...Now I think all states are 21.

I think you could substitute girls for guys

I was in sports too...Track scholarship...Plenty of food at the training table...All you can eat. I lived on campus the 1st year...Off after that...But I still went to the training table my Soph year...All you could eat 3x a day. I ripped my right hamstring when I was a Soph at a meet in San Jose, CA...I transferred to U. of HI in my Junior year because that was only one of two NCAA Div 1 schools where you didn't have to sit out a year if you transferred. But even w/ a scholarship Hawaii was expensive...Plus I couldn't get any of the classes I wanted the first semester...After 8 weeks I came back to the mainland and then went back to NE. That was it for sports and scholarships but my Grandmother picked up the tab although I did work P/T at one of the libraries off and on. Actually, working at the library was a good place to meet chicks...lol

[Louetta]

When I went to U. of Nebraska the first year the drinking age was 19...Couldn't get in bars but there were plenty of parties...When I was a Soph they lowered the drinking age in NE to 18...Now I think all states are 21.

I think you could substitute girls for guys

I was in sports too...Track scholarship...Plenty of food at the training table...All you can eat. I lived on campus the 1st year...Off after that...But I still went to the training table my Soph year...All you could eat 3x a day. I ripped my right hamstring when I was a Soph at a meet in San Jose, CA...I transferred to U. of HI in my Junior year because that was only one of two NCAA Div 1 schools where you didn't have to sit out a year if you transferred. But even w/ a scholarship Hawaii was expensive...Plus I couldn't get any of the classes I wanted the first semester...After 8 weeks I came back to the mainland and then went back to NE. That was it for sports and scholarships but my Grandmother picked up the tab although I did work P/T at one of the libraries off and on. Actually, working at the library was a good place to meet chicks...lol

We don't have greeks here so there are less parties than you might think. We had all you could eat too plus free bras after freshman year which was nice.