Cup w/ Handles

[MickyMouse]

skiracer, come on, no personal attack please.

[IIC]

Geez...I wonder if we still have any CwH's left?

Just kidding although I doubt there will be so many...we had a big drop in the number of stocks last weekend because so many handles went so low...Feel free to post any you come up with and I'll update our list on Sunday...Doug

[skiracer]

skiracer, come on, no personal attack please.

and i suppose that doug's post wasn't a personal attack on me and my views just because they differed from his. spare me please and take a good look at where it originated. look at what doug posted before me. did whatever i posted originally contain anything near as inflamatory or close to the agenda that doug went off on. he's a dumb shithead as far as i concerned. i posted the post twice just to make the point. i'm glad it caught your attention.

[New-born baby]

Luckily, I found a Beginner's Trading Site for you...Hope it helps you:

http://www.tradejuice.com/trading-fo...nners-menu.htm

Not a bad site! I recommend it! I like what I see, Doug. Thanks!

What Ski called you . . . Dr. Goebbels called the critics of Adolph Hitler the same thing when those critics said that Germany should not invade Russia in WWar II.

[MEA_1956]

Can I Have a cup with a handle of dumb shit to go please.

[billyjoe]

Can I Have a cup with a handle of dumb shit to go please.

I've been eating it for several days now. Wouldn't be so bad except it's so runny.

-----------billyjoe

[riverbabe]

I think that most people that are new to trading or less experienced at some level should read up on what is the most accepted and used definition of any chart pattern and understand and know the percentages regarding them as stated by the guys who initially defined them. After understanding and trading those patterns as defined with some experience under them should they bend or shape those patterns to better suit their trading strategies. Without understanding the most known and accepted definition, that provides the best chance at the percentages going your way, it is easy to get off on the wrong foot and to find the patterns not developing into what they could or should. Weeding out the patterns that are close but not right comes from understanding exactly what you are looking for and exactly how the pattern should be forming and where to begin to look for any entry or not. Everyone interprets these patterns in the fashion they want to see them. Knowing what is correct and what to really look for it the key to success in using any pattern for trading purposes especially for the less experienced traders listening to anything that more experienced people are stating. Especially if what someone is stating is somewhat off the original and more accepted definitions for any chart pattern.

Okay, maybe I'm really dense here, but I fail to see why this quote should have set off Doug versus Ski. I thought this Forum was open to all views. Ski is easily as experienced and professional a trader as Doug. So, why the venom Doug? Sending him a beginner's link? In my book, that was a pretty low down insult. Sorry for taking sides here. I just don't think he deserved what you gave him. Riverbabe

[skiracer]

Not a bad site! I recommend it! I like what I see, Doug. Thanks!

What Ski called you . . . Dr. Goebbels called the critics of Adolph Hitler the same thing when those critics said that Germany should not invade Russia in WWar II.

so you tend to think that doug's initial post to me was ok and not in any way inflamatory and out of line in light of my post to him about learning the true definitions of any chart pattern first from the people who wrote the books before listening to any dumb shit who puts out any definition he wants to just because he thinks it works that way. If that be the case then in my book your as big a dumb shit as he is newborn. the comparison to Dr. Goebbels was cute except for the fact that invading Russia proved to be a big part of the reason Germany ended up losing the war. it was a terrible call on the part of an irrational dumb shit who was great at assuming and rationalizing what he wants to see and believe, quite like doug.

[IIC]

Okay, maybe I'm really dense here, but I fail to see why this quote should have set off Doug versus Ski. I thought this Forum was open to all views. Ski is easily as experienced and professional a trader as Doug. So, why the venom Doug? Sending him a beginner's link? In my book, that was a pretty low down insult. Sorry for taking sides here. I just don't think he deserved what you gave him. Riverbabe

On the surface you are right...But I'm not stupid...What Ski is trying to do is undermine me and this thread. It appears that he's just just giving some friendly advice...But there is no way I'm gonna believe that. If I had never heard of Ski before or if anyone else had posted the same thing I could go along with it...But he continues to bash almost everything I say....From the way I trade to the way I think...Go back and read the history.

If I'm wrong then so be it...I hate to Rain on his Parade but I've been wrong before.

I've never said that others should trade like I do...And even on my site I have a disclaimer that says this:

Some are not what I would consider "Classic" patterns.


There are varying opinions as to what constitutes

a "Classic" Cup w/ Handle pattern.

All I tried to do with this thread, my site and my email update is to offer some time savers for people who are interested and open some dialogue...I've received tons of interesting emails and many disagree with something I've said...That is fine with me and in some cases people have influenced my thinking...But so far I have not received one email bashing me.

Ski seems to feel that people have a better percentage of success if they follow an exact definition of a Cup w/ Handle...Perhaps that is true...I really wouldn't know and since he refuses to post those percentages I have a feeling that we will never know.

I have no problem with people who want to trade CwH's the IBD way or any other way. But I will point out that I have seen hundreds of chart pattern examples that IBD has published and many of them do not meet the published IBD parameters...So why doesn't he bash IBD?

Ski owes me no apology as I did bash him...And what he called me has no affect on me one way or the other...However, I think he owes NBB an apology...New Born did not deserve to be called names.

The bad part about this is that some people will think I'm a jerk like he is....How many people do I have a problem with at this forum?...Compare that with how many people he has a problem with.

Finally...Of course I have no problem with you...But I sorta take the part of your post that I changed to green as an insult...However, I'll get over it

[skiracer]

[quote=IIC;85524]On the surface you are right...But I'm not stupid...What Ski is trying to do is undermine me and this thread. It appears that he's just just giving some friendly advice...But there is no way I'm gonna believe that. If I had never heard of Ski before or if anyone else had posted the same thing I could go along with it...But he continues to bash almost everything I say....From the way I trade to the way I think...Go back and read the history.

If I'm wrong then so be it...I hate to Rain on his Parade but I've been wrong before.

I've never said that others should trade like I do...And even on my site I have a disclaimer that says this:

You are so far off base with your take on this it is ridiculous. I certainly wasn't looking to insult or undermine your thread. I just posted my opinion about a situation I thought merited mentioning. I didn't berate you or insinuate that you were wrong in your take on these cup and handle chart patterns. I don't have to do that as the proof always comes out in the end. You cannot deny the results of what you post. In your case doug you always leave enough vague or grey area or some other reasoning for things not measuring up. Look within to your own paranoia and illusions. When you post something for public viewing on a forum such as this then you should expect whatever response to those posts that come your way. You are always the first one to state that. You seem to want to overlook the fact that it is usually you who starts with the derogatory and inflamatory remarks. Look back and show me where I have said or started anything derogatory or negative towards your thread before your own inflamatory remarks. Perhaps you're just being over sensitive to open criticism which seems quite evident to me.
And the most important facet of all of this is that I am a much better technical analysist and trader than whatever it is that you think you are since you feel that you had to add that little tidbit in green. I wouldn't want you or anyone else to deceive themselves on that issue. I have brought as much positive trading advice, information, setups and winning trades as anyone here over the last few years. I think the problem lies in that you are just to thin skinned and adverse to anyone who presents a different or opposing view to yours. I find it hard to believe that at your age you are still plagued by those flaws and that an honest and properly presented opposing view still brings out that type of response from you. You should spend some time learning to deal with those shortcomings. As far as BASHING you is concerned. If you feel that there is a case for me "bashing" you regarding my initial post you should seek some help in that area. Those are your paranoia's coming out of your own psyche because that post couldn't be farther from bashing and your own acknowledgement in your reply to Riverbabe is a prime example of where your head is at on this matter. It wasn't friendly advice as much as an opposing view. You have the supreme ability to read and see things as you want to believe them. That's not friendly advice but a rationalization on your part of how you want to perceive whatever is presented to you.

[IIC]

Ski...I never pretended to be a Master Technical Analyst...But at least I can spell it and (I can spell that too) I know the difference between RS and RSI.

But alas...I rather imagine the other forum members here are growing tired of this...In fact, I am too...So respond if you want but this is my last response to any of your posts regarding this subject.

[skiracer]

Ski...I never pretended to be a Master Technical Analyst...But at least I can spell it and (I can spell that too) I know the difference between RS and RSI.

But alas...I rather imagine the other forum members here are growing tired of this...In fact, I am too...So respond if you want but this is my last response to any of your posts regarding this subject.

your typical response doug. avoid the issues. certainly the misspelling of analyst and the other bullshit makes everything alright in your mind and certainly justifies and strengthens your arguement and position. another typical rationalization on your part. I am glad that i got the last word in. Just to top it off i still believe you're an authorative dumb shit who is a legend in your own mind.

[New-born baby]

the comparison to Dr. Goebbels was cute except for the fact that invading Russia proved to be a big part of the reason Germany ended up losing the war. it was a terrible call on the part of an irrational dumb shit who was great at assuming and rationalizing what he wants to see and believe, quite like doug.

Ski,
Let's look at this a moment, my friend. You called Doug a bad name--the same name Dr. Goebbels called Hitler's critics because Hitler decided to invade Russia. Dr. Goebbels was wrong, and those critics proved to be right: Germany bit off too much to chew by invading Russia, and it cost them the war. Therefore I am equating you with Dr. Goebbels. Dr. Goebbels was wrong, and you are wrong to call Doug names. He is a very, very skilled and knowledgeable trader. The man is a walking stock market encyclopedia. He is anything but dumb. Frankly I think the guy is amazing in his knowledge--and a good person. So I don't think he deserved any name calling.

As a friend, Ski, I'll tell you that my view is that you are a sharp trader, too; I read your posts and visit your charts at Stockcharts.com. I have to give you a lot of credit: you make money--lots of it--with your big investments.
I like reading your stuff.

But my criticism of you is this: 1. You take offense too easily. Don't let others "get your goat." You are so much more pleasant to be around when you aren't name calling. 2. You do very often take the opposite side of any argument, which makes us observers think that your agenda is not to help the other person, but rather to win an argument. People love and respect those who are trying to help them; but people resent those who are trying to show them up. If you would check your motives behind your posts, and ensure that they all fall under the category of "trying to help," I think you might be one of the most loved posters here, because you are a good and knowledgeable trader.

Ski, I am trying to post as a friend. I hope you won't take offense at me; I certainly have taken no offense at you.

[IIC]

Ski,
Let's look at this a moment, my friend. You called Doug a bad name--the same name Dr. Goebbels called Hitler's critics because Hitler decided to invade Russia. Dr. Goebbels was wrong, and those critics proved to be right: Germany bit off too much to chew by invading Russia, and it cost them the war. Therefore I am equating you with Dr. Goebbels. Dr. Goebbels was wrong, and you are wrong to call Doug names. He is a very, very skilled and knowledgeable trader. The man is a walking stock market encyclopedia. He is anything but dumb. Frankly I think the guy is amazing in his knowledge--and a good person. So I don't think he deserved any name calling.

As a friend, Ski, I'll tell you that my view is that you are a sharp trader, too; I read your posts and visit your charts at Stockcharts.com. I have to give you a lot of credit: you make money--lots of it--with your big investments.
I like reading your stuff.

But my criticism of you is this: 1. You take offense too easily. Don't let others "get your goat." You are so much more pleasant to be around when you aren't name calling. 2. You do very often take the opposite side of any argument, which makes us observers think that your agenda is not to help the other person, but rather to win an argument. People love and respect those who are trying to help them; but people resent those who are trying to show them up. If you would check your motives behind your posts, and ensure that they all fall under the category of "trying to help," I think you might be one of the most loved posters here, because you are a good and knowledgeable trader.

Ski, I am trying to post as a friend. I hope you won't take offense at me; I certainly have taken no offense at you.

NBB...I appreciate your post defending me...But I must confess...I was trying to egg Ski on. He and I obviously have differences of opinion on many things...Doesn't mean he is any better or worse than I am and it doesn't mean that I am any better or worse than he is.

I'll admit...I like to debate...But I took this little game too far just for my own little fun...I made myself look like a fool to those who don't know either one of us and who are here just for stock market info.

He took the bait but I'm sorry a nice person like you even got involved...For that I apologize.

I rather doubt that Ski holds any animosity towards you...I think it was really directed at me...And it was well deserved...I went overboard...And for that I am sorry...

I will try to keep my BIG MOUTH shut in the future regarding stuff like this...Best, Doug

[New-born baby]

NBB...I appreciate your post defending me...But I must confess...I was trying to egg Ski on. He and I obviously have differences of opinion on many things...Doesn't mean he is any better or worse than I am and it doesn't mean that I am any better or worse than he is.

I'll admit...I like to debate...But I took this little game too far just for my own little fun...I made myself look like a fool to those who don't know either one of us and who are here just for stock market info.

He took the bait but I'm sorry a nice person like you even got involved...For that I apologize.

I rather doubt that Ski holds any animosity towards you...I think it was really directed at me...And it was well deserved...I went overboard...And for that I am sorry...

I will try to keep my BIG MOUTH shut in the future regarding stuff like this...Best, Doug

You are a good man, Doug.