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  • spikefader
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2004
    • 7175

    #16
    Originally posted by abk33139
    Hi everyone - my name is Alison and I'm new to the group and I live in the Washington DC area. I'm interested in playing a bit in the stock market..........
    2. What does everyone think about Sirius Radio (SIRI) stock? I'm very interested in that one to invest in over a longer period of time because I believe in the product and its potential.
    Hi Alison. Welcome to the boards.

    I know you're probably all fired up and ready to place your first trade, but before you do, I would strongly recommend that you paper trade a little while, until you have demonstrated to yourself that you are capable enough to formulate a trading plan for a particular stock, have the ability to enter with a good risk reward ratio (risking no more than 4% on any one trade), be disciplined with a stop loss, and be able to take your profit at a projected target.

    If paper trading isn't your thing, then fire away -- but just promise me that you will treat the market for what it is; brutal, unforgiving, surprising, unexpected and always always always right. From the beginning, you should block out all emotion and act only on logic. Expect to make mistakes, and prepare yourself to learn from them. Only you are responsible for them; not the market, not the newspapers, not the brokers or the market manipulators. Take full responsibility for your losses, and treat them as a business and training expense. And be on the lookout for your mistakes that lead to profit, for these are the most dangerous of all!

    If you haven't traded before, you will soon discover that trading stocks is much more complicated once you have real money on the line. You will experience many different emotions as your chosen stocks fluctuate up and down.

    I see you're restricted with your account, but it would be much better to use a direct trading platform such as Interactivebrokers.com (a penny a share). Not only will your orders be executed instantaneously, but commissions are low. But if you can't and you're stuck paying $30 for a round trip, then I would suggest having no more than two separate stock positions open at one time. Otherwise, your fees will hurt, especially if your trading plan employs stop losses (which I highly and strongly recommend). Many people don't employ stops, but I can tell you that if you're only having two positions, you will definately want to use them. A 50% or worse hit on one of those stocks means a quarter of your capital is gone in one trade. By limiting your loss to 4% or lower, it means that you can take a few hits, looking for the stock ride that gives you 15% or better. Remember this: it's the person who LOSES best that will WIN best in trading. You will have losses - there is no question about this. So why not learn to accept them, plan for them, and to even love them. It's OK to get stopped out. Stops will save your capital, and teach you a lot about yourself. Stops are good

    Good rule of thumb in trading is BASSAR. Buy-at-support-sell-at-resistance. Do this, and you will do well. Be patient. Don't chase. Don't fear you'll miss a move and jump the gun, because you will more than likely start the trade in the red, and worse, get stopped out only to see your pick turn and go in the direction you wanted. It's better to miss opportunity than lose cash. You can afford to be patient. You don't HAVE to have an open position all the time. Having no position IS a position. Learn about Fibonacci retracements and waves, and regression channels. Check out www.quotetracker.com for their great free charting, and check out their pivot points indicator, which will draw your intraday support and resistance lines for you. Armed with that knowledge, you can attempt entries at the ideal intraday points rather than resistance levels where traders take profits. Remember, the big boys that are accumulating stock will buy at support and boost the move, thus this is where you want to buy your train ticket.

    On Siri, I am expecting some more retracement in the short-term before any futher bullish run. I would wait a while before entering. I follow it pretty closely, and will post charts from time to time in my thread. Webs is very bullish on it and is in it for the long-term, and got a good entry so he's holding it. If you like the prospects, then seriously consider waiting to buy at solid support areas.

    All the best, and I pray your first trade is a profitable one!
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    • #17
      Great post, spike. Many quotable quotes there.
      I would add to that - study, study, study.
      Read one or more books.

      For a decent intro to technical analysis, browse around this site - http://stockcharts.com/education/

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      • Websman
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2004
        • 5545

        #18
        Originally posted by Michaelk005
        This post goes out mainly to Websman.. If you are so sure about SIRI, take a look at some Digital cable companies,, they will have quite a large growth potential as well..
        Thanks! I'll check them out.

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        • IIC
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2003
          • 14938

          #19
          "And be on the lookout for your mistakes that lead to profit, for these are the most dangerous of all"! ...Spike

          Great advice Spike...can be a real killer...IIC
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          • Websman
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2004
            • 5545

            #20
            Hey, I'm learning some lessons here myself...

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            • #21
              Wow! I couldn't get online for a day and am so impressed with all of the replies and great advice. Its embarrassing to admit, but it looks like I've already made some mistakes, but this is a learning process and they haven't cost me too much money. First, I probably got into the market on the stupidest day - election day. Stocks were going up that day and there were a few things that I bought and paid a little too much for (like SIRI). Had I waited another week, I would have bought at a much lower rate. Lesson learned. I was so anxious to jump in that I didn't make some good choices. I did buy about 5 different stocks, and as of today 3 of them are up (including my commission fee for buying, but not including the selling fee) and 2 are down. Some stocks I bought hundreds of shares (SIRI) and some I bought as few as 25 shares. I see that as a mistake. I should have focused on 2 stocks (3 max) and gone from there. One of the stocks is down 4%, so I'm wondering if I should sell. Right now its only a deficit of $11 (plus the $15 to sell), so maybe I should get out before I lose more on it (this is a stock I only bought 50 shares of).

              I also made the mistake of buying a few investment magazines and bought based on some of their pics. I won't make that mistake again (one of those is the one that's down 4%).

              Anyway, I hate to admit my mistakes, but you guys have been so great with sharing your knowledge, I thought I'd fess up.

              I look forward to reading more and contributing as I learn more.

              Thank you to everyone for the warm welcome.

              Alison (fellow Springsteen fan like Mr. Market)

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              • MEA_1956
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2003
                • 655

                #22
                They are all winners til you sell. Use your Investment Mags as a lessons, they do know what they are talking about cause they are doing it there way.

                If you are in it for the long, 4% is easy to make back up over a long peiord of time. Some of mine are a lot lower than that but I sell ofter I have reached my sell point. Has this stock reached your sell point or do you have a plan that includes a sell point.

                www.precisionalert.com may help you keep an eye on thing till you are more confortable with your ports.

                One Up On Wall Street by Peter Lynch is a good read, simple and to the point. He also has another book out but can't tell you the title right now.

                Forbes Mag. 200 best small companies, I looked throught it and picked out a handful to follow and in that time this paper port is up over 16% in less than two weeks. Found a lot of M.M. picks in there also, plus a few that I've traded myself. Investment Mags are a good source of info. Its how you use this info that matters. AVSI, MIDD, and UCO are a couple of my personal fav.

                time for work T.T.F.N. ===> MEA
                GO BIG RED!!!!!

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                • spikefader
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 7175

                  #23
                  Originally posted by MEA_1956
                  They are all winners til you sell.
                  Oh boy......don't want to shoot you down in flames or anything, but do you really believe this Mea?
                  With the greatest respect, that rationale is squarely based on denial, and is all about hope. It merely gives one justification that one never needs to admit a trading error, and that stocks will always rise back to where you entered.

                  I know, I know, many at this site don't employ stops at all, including the big man himself, and that's fine -- as long as the person's portfolio is well diversified and all your eggs aren't piled into one or two baskets. Having the occasional loser such as BEL might be built into the system, and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

                  But what about those that are trading with only a few (say one to four) positions open? Is it really wise not to use stops? I think it's madness, reckless, and bound for disaster. Sure, one might get lucky and be on the right side of a bull market, but what about a bear or sideways market? Kiss goodbye to your capital, unless you are very disciplined.

                  Stops save lives. And to a new investor, that is the approach they should start with, instead of learning that lesson after a Royal hammering.

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                  • mrmarket
                    Administrator
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5971

                    #24
                    There's more than one way to make money. It's just a question of style. Some guys pick up chicks cuz they have big muscles. Some guys wow the ladies because they are intelligent. Some guys make the gals ga ga because of their clever wit.

                    Then again there are some guys who have muscles, intelligence and wit.
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                    • Websman
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 5545

                      #25
                      Originally posted by mrmarket
                      There's more than one way to make money. It's just a question of style. Some guys pick up chicks cuz they have big muscles. Some guys wow the ladies because they are intelligent. Some guys make the gals ga ga because of their clever wit.

                      Then again there are some guys who have muscles, intelligence and wit.
                      Wow...No wonder the Chicks are after me all the time! I have every one of those qualities!

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                      • IIC
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 14938

                        #26
                        Originally posted by mrmarket

                        Then again there are some guys who have muscles, intelligence and wit.
                        Thank's for the compliment Ernie...but it really wasn't necessary...IIC
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                        • RL
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 1215

                          #27
                          Ernie,
                          How did you know about me Inever sent my pic.
                          Ray Long

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                          • MEA_1956
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 655

                            #28
                            #1 have a plan
                            #2 stick to it ( I've learned should have sold AACE at 45%)
                            #3 STOPS, not me, Or I would have never made 100% on BJ, TGRL, JCP, just to name a few.
                            #4 dicipline
                            just my take. I have a high talorance for pain. love to flirt with disaster, somedays I think she is my half sister.===> MEA
                            GO BIG RED!!!!!

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                            • Websman
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 5545

                              #29
                              I hope you're still holding SIRI. It went up big tome today!

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                              • IIC
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 14938

                                #30
                                I have a real problem being interested in a stock because it is on some magazines list or they have a feature article on it or something...Sure, some keep going...but by the time I read an article...How many thousands...or millions already saw it before me?

                                The only print magazine that I like is Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities...IIC

                                Plus they send it to me at no charge
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