When Saddam Hangs

[mrmarket]

Taking the bible literally

I'm no adulterer, but I have to say that Leviticus 20:10 seems kind of harsh. Do we have to follow the bible literally here? Ouch!

9 If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him.
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10 If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
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11 If there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
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12 If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
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13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
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14 If there is a man who marries a woman and her mother, it is immorality; both he and they shall be burned with fire, so that there will be no immorality in your midst.


Hey..what's wrong with having a good time??

[lemonjello]

Unexpected consequences

Mr. Hayes seems to have cause and effect mixed up. I think he's trying to imply something about Al Qaeda funding by Iraq but he has only a little evidence about general terrorist funding. There are plenty of Islamic terrorist groups that existed before Al Qaeda in the middle east and certainly in the Phillipines.

Of course I see no mention of terrorist funding by wealthy people in the rich gulf oil states. This is well known to the intel agencies. Why not invade them?

History note: The USA helped train the original fighters that became Al Qaeda during the USSR Afghan war. Again in a proxy war against the USSR by the US. In an attempt to fend off Russian influence in the middle east the US funded and supported many Islamic extremist groups who were the only convenient and natural US "allies" against the "Godless" USSR in the region.

Here's a link to evidence of Saddam and his boys funding terrorism:

http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/

Here's a link to evidence of Saddam and his boys funding terrorism:http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/

From the 9-11 Commission Report:

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said. "Two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq,

Source:

http://www.dangerouscitizen.com/Articles/1153.aspx

From:

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Please explain what you mean by this post.

Apples to oranges, works, too.

Saddam's last words: "Allah is great", and "Palestine belongs to the Arabs."

You sees? The eternal hatred goes on.

NBB- It seems that there are several different "last statements."
It is easy for them to be cherry picked.

[lemonjello]

Out damn spot

History notes -

Does anyone remember how all those Kurds died and Shia wound up in mass graves? After the first Gulf War Bush I encouraged the Kurds and Shia to rise up against Saddam with promises of American support. The support never came. Not only that - the US gov't allowed flights over the uprising Iraqis in the no fly zone that allowed Saddam to kill them more efficiently. Thus mass graves in Southern Iraq. He just used poison gas against the Kurds produced with chemicals originally supplied to him by western democracies including the US.

How about all those dead during the Iraq - Iran war? Saddam once again encouraged and supplied by the US in a proxy war against Iran.

Anyone remember how the Kuwait invasion started in the first Gulf War? Saddam had asked the current US ambassador if the US had any problems with an Iraq invading Kuwait and she said the US would not interfere. That's from memory but generally the idea. The US ambassador could have stopped it right there. At that point Saddam was basically a US puppet.

Of course everyone knows by now why the W administration thought Saddam had WMD - in this case certainly poison gas. Because the US had helped him acquire it originally to use against Iran and subsequently used against the Kurds and threatened for use (or actually used, depending on who you believe) against the coalition forces during the first Gulf War.

Here is one source for how many have been killed.


Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.



http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

[New-born baby]

NBB- Would you pay money for an investing system that claims to have "made" millions in the past therefore it will in the future, with a forward looking system?

Please explain what you mean by this post.

[New-born baby]

Saddam funded terrorists

Here's a link to evidence of Saddam and his boys funding terrorism:

http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/

See Mimo's post for how many Saddam killed without us around. He says nearly 2 million, and that is probably pretty close. We lost less than 3,000.

NBB- Would you pay money for an investing system that claims to have "made" millions in the past therefore it will in the future, with a forward looking system?

[New-born baby]

Saddam's last words

Saddam's last words: "Allah is great", and "Palestine belongs to the Arabs."

You sees? The eternal hatred goes on.

[New-born baby]

Everyone interprets the Bible differently, usually in the way that supports his/her beliefs and everyone believes their interpretation is the right one. Same can be said for the Muslims and look at the trouble all these good religious people have caused for humanity.

------------billyjoe

That's just it, BillyJoe. When it comes to Catholic theology, these things aren't even in the Bible: the office of Pope, indulgences, treasury of merit, the immaculate conception of Mary, purgatory, salvation by faith plus works, etc. None of those things are in the Bible. They have just been made up by the "church." So it cannot be said that they interpret the Bible differently. Even they themselves admit it. They say that their doctrine is based upon "the Bible and church traditions." Tradition is the source of these beliefs. And Jesus said in Matthew 15:7-9 "You hypocrites! These people honor me with their lips, but their heart is far away from me. But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrine the precepts of men." You see, man made doctrines mean that the Lord rejects one's worship.

[New-born baby]

We've already spent $500 billion on the war. I'm sure you could have hired some bad guy from $10 million to put a bullet in Saddam's head.

Alternatively, the economic sanctions and blockades were crippling his ability to be a threat to anyone outside of Iraq. Eventually, he would have withered away at a much lower cost of money and lives.

Was he a bad guy? Of course he was. Would more Iraqi civilians have died under his terror reign than the number who have been killed in this war and in the civil war to be? I don't think so.

See Mimo's post for how many Saddam killed without us around. He says nearly 2 million, and that is probably pretty close. We lost less than 3,000.

MM, if you want to win the war (I do), it is really easy:
You find every terrorist and kill them. Finding them is fairly easy, too, because they have turned every mosque into a fort. The weak liberals have forbidden our boys from firing on mosques and "holy sites." Running a war like the liberals ran the war in Viet Nam is a recipe for defeat. We've tried it in Korea and Viet Nam without success. You win wars like we won WW II: you kill the enemy until they say "enough."

In Viet Nam we won every battle and lost the war. Liberalism is a losing philosophy. Those who think that leaving the Islamic terrorists alone will find that they will be back to try to destroy our country and our economy.

Iran wants nuclear weapons. This is a country run by an ayatollah. The goal of this wacko is to start WW III so that "the twelfth Caliphate of Baghdad" can begin [to Arabs, a type of Christ; in reality, probably the AntiChrist].They frequently have conferences on the subject "the World without Zionism" and do such wonderful things as denying the holocost; calling the USA "the Great Satan" that supports Israel and seeking to destroy us. The best selling book in the Arab world is "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler.

So if anyone thinks you can have peace with these people by sending them flowers, (remember the flower children of the Sixties?), I think they need to think again.

[billyjoe]

Rob,
The entire Catholic Church & theology is in disagreement with the Bible. They disagree about the doctrine of salvation, the office of "Pope;" calling no man 'father;' "indulgances", purgatory, praying to saints, treasury of merit, the immaculate conception of Mary, and dozens of other issues. The Catholic Church is based upon tradition, and not upon the Bible. The pope is not a Christian in the Bible sense of the word.

Everyone interprets the Bible differently, usually in the way that supports his/her beliefs and everyone believes their interpretation is the right one. Same can be said for the Muslims and look at the trouble all these good religious people have caused for humanity.

------------billyjoe

[New-born baby]

Here is one source for how many have been killed.


Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.



http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

Excellent work Mimo!

[New-born baby]

With due respect to any Catholics here, I do not understand the Pope. I'm hearing in the news where he is condemning Saddam's execution. I guess he doesn't read his Bible, because Romans 13:4 says regarding the secular "ruler," the governmental authority, "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Does the Pope stand in disagreement with the word of God? It looks that way to me.

Rob,
The entire Catholic Church & theology is in disagreement with the Bible. They disagree about the doctrine of salvation, the office of "Pope;" calling no man 'father;' "indulgances", purgatory, praying to saints, treasury of merit, the immaculate conception of Mary, and dozens of other issues. The Catholic Church is based upon tradition, and not upon the Bible. The pope is not a Christian in the Bible sense of the word.