When Saddam Hangs

[Rob]

With due respect to any Catholics here, I do not understand the Pope. I'm hearing in the news where he is condemning Saddam's execution. I guess he doesn't read his Bible, because Romans 13:4 says regarding the secular "ruler," the governmental authority, "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Does the Pope stand in disagreement with the word of God? It looks that way to me.

[peanuts]

Saddam's last's words

They have released a video of Saddam's last words:

CHECK IT OUT

[IIC]

An old Creole saying:

Good riddance to bad rubbish

I think the fall of this Country will be when we get a weak pansy hug a tree leader in Office who is constantly trying to win popularity and make everybody happy. Many fear Bush and I don’t know about you but I like that idea. Don’t think these thugs are stupid.. They can sense a pansy a mile away. How about this has our presence in Iraq possibly stopped bombs in our backyard? I guess it depends what you believe. Sure we are in a mess and I’m the first to admit. Bush got shafted early in his term and put trust in people to do their jobs. These people failed and in return Bush takes the heat. After all a leader is responsible for what he does or failures to do and in the end it is the leader who pays the price. A true leader normally is not well-liked despite what you see on TV. This Country would crack if we ever had another day like D-Day… Yes how many died in the first 24 hours of us hitting the beaches?

The current problem is not going to go away anytime soon and this war is more complicated then any of us realize. We have entered into a new battlefield and this war may last until the end of time. In any new engagement we stumble but always regroup with a better plan. Our engagements have turned from jungles to the worst combat know to man and that is Urban Combat. Folks this madness is simply not going to go away when we leave.

It is easy to sit back in our lazy boys and criticize all the negatives of Bush and his crew.

[Websman]

You should come to work with me Doug. You'd fit right in.

[IIC]

Hangin' Out With Saddam

Hangin' Out With Saddam

[IIC]

Cosmo...if I open the door for someone I expect them to say Thanks...And if they don't, I slam it on 'em before they get all the way thru

[Websman]

Amen Cosmo....

[billyjoe]

Just got through walking my dog across harvested soybean fields and around the woods. I was thinking , Saddam couldn't buy this day even if he still had the billions stolen from the Iraqi people. He had the palaces with golden toilets and millions of Iraqi's fearing his every move and what's he got now? A ruined family name that will be remembered with hatred and scorn throughout history. He's either already dead or waiting to be executed which will send him to a level of eternal damnation we can't imagine. He gained the world and lost his soul while I'm walking my dog on a sunny day.

-----------billyjoe

[IIC]

If I were George Bush, here's what I'd do: I would orchestrate a phony "leak" of highly-classified intelligence that the U.S. and its allies have highly-placed worms in the al-Qaeda network that are in close contact with its leaders. Even if it isn't true, it would create such an atmosphere of distrust within the group's leadership, the organization would begin to eat itself alive from within. Why does it take me to think that up? Who's running things anyway?

Because it is true

[lemonjello]

HAL is an oil service company. AFAIK they don't actually drill. They have many many subs. KBR was the one that did most of the contracting in Iraq if I recall.

History note: President Lyndon Johnson (another Texan) used the earlier version of KBR (a Texas firm) extensively in Vietnam. Anyone see a pattern here?

There is at least one positive out of the Iraq war not in the media - the Kurds were as good as exterminated under Saddam. Now they are an autonomous region governing themselves quite well and keeping any insurgents/terrorists beat down in their region. I assure you, the Kurds are very happy with the way things worked out. Maybe the coalition should just leave the Kurds in charge of security in Iraq? They are some tough people. BTW, for the inquiring minds - the Kurds are not Arabs.

Another thing not mentioned in the media that's been mentioned on the board before - the US needed a large strategically located staging base in the Middle East and to intimidate the the other "rogue" countries in the area. Saudi became less of an option and thus Iraq. There is also the possibility of protecting the US petrodollar - although the world seems to be switching to other currencies slowly anyway. By having most of the world hold $ in some form as a reserve currency the US has had the ability to "tax" the rest of the world since WWII through inflating the currency - again not mentioned in the media. A change in this dynamic could have far reaching consequences. One of the first things the occupation forces did after invading Iraq was put it back on the petrodollar standard. Look it up. It's all very interesting.

Does anyone think W really grasps any of this? Cheney and friends are in charge.

BTW, IMO the struggle has always been with Iran, not Iraq, since the Carter administration. Iran played the US like Kasparov from the pre-war intelligence reports to presently using their proxies the Iraqi Shiite and Hezbollah. Most people in the US have no idea how much smart the Iranians are. The US cannot currently invade Iran - they control Hormuz and thus the tanker traffic thru the gulf and Iran is full of mountains and tough terrain. The best scenario is if the Iranian people change their own government.

I usually lean to the right, politically. However these two guys really leave me scratching my head. What boggles my mind is how Cheney had the audacity to assign Halliburton to a no bid contract to cover all of the "services" in Iraq. I thought that Halliburton was in the oil drilling business?

Wouldn't one think that just the appearance of impropriety of assigning Halliburton as a contractor would have been enough to make them use a different contractor? It's just the "tough shit, we're in power, we can do whatever we want" attitude that makes me wonder about what REALLY is going on in Washington these days.

By the way, I was saddened to hear of the passing of Gerald Ford. He was one of the good guys.

[Rob]

If I were George Bush, here's what I'd do: I would orchestrate a phony "leak" of highly-classified intelligence that the U.S. and its allies have highly-placed worms in the al-Qaeda network that are in close contact with its leaders. Even if it isn't true, it would create such an atmosphere of distrust within the group's leadership, the organization would begin to eat itself alive from within. Why does it take me to think that up? Who's running things anyway?

[skiracer]

Here is one source for how many have been killed.


Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.



http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

Saddam's trial and eventual hanging will be the easy part for him. Just wait until he sees what is waiting for him eternally after God passes his judgement on him for being the source behind all of those killings and murders. I'd hang him up feet first, cut open his abdomen and let him bleed out in front of everyone. That would give him plenty of time to think about his life and what he has done with it. There is no way anyone should feel the slightest bit of compassion for this guy. I bet he never ever thought in his wildest dreams that his life would take this turn and end this way. He'll be crying like a baby and wetting his pants before he even gets to the noose.

[skiracer]

Here is one source for how many have been killed.


Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.



http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

Saddam's trial and eventual hanging will be the easy part for him. Just wait until he sees what is waiting for him eternally after God passes his judgement on him for being the source behind all of those killings and murders. I'd hang him up feet first, cut open his abdomen and let him bleed out in front of everyone. That would give him plenty of time to think about his life and what he has done with it. There is no way anyone should feel the slightest bit of compassion for this guy. I bet he never ever thought in his wildest dreams that his life would take this turn and end this way. He'll be crying like a baby and wetting his pants before he even gets to the noose.

[mimo_100]

Approaching two million

. Would more Iraqi civilians have died under his terror reign than the number who have been killed in this war and in the civil war to be? I don't think so.

Here is one source for how many have been killed.


Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html