Cheap Shots at Global Warming

[Karel]

I see we have left all pretense at being scientific. Well, people who like their global warming, hoax or not, served with vitriol and rhetoric, might try the newsgroup alt.global-warming. Warning: there is a rather low signal to noise ratio there.

Keep posting here too, if you like, but I am not very interested in malicious stuff (see the link in the previous post, or don't: it really is a sick article) that mostly evades the issues. But if someone wants to take the trouble to post it, by all means go ahead.

BTW, I do not consider the lack of scientific criticism of GW presented here as an indication that GW proponents have the field to themselves, but only as an indication that few people here seem to be interested in other things than comforting soundbites. The scientists need to battle things out among themselves (and the consensus for global warming, and man-made global warming, is growing).

BTW Pete, did you see "An Inconvenient Truth"?

Regards,

Karel

[Websman]

I'll never invite Al Gore to my house for dinner...

[Peter Hansen]

Karel NO

Karel .....NO I did not see Al Gore's movie .......I have no faith in what the man has to say ......while serving as vice president , he was involved in some shady deals .....i.e. Bhuddist temple money questions. I hold his integrity .......about 2 levels below that of a used car salesman , the one who sold me a real lemon when I was in HS !

[Karel]

Karel .....NO I did not see Al Gore's movie .......I have no faith in what the man has to say ......while serving as vice president , he was involved in some shady deals .....i.e. Bhuddist temple money questions. I hold his integrity .......about 2 levels below that of a used car salesman , the one who sold me a real lemon when I was in HS !

It is a pity then that the Global Warming proponents choose such a suspect spokesman. What about senator John McCain?

Regards,

Karel

[Websman]

It is a pity then that the Global Warming proponents choose such a suspect spokesman. What about senator John McCain?

Regards,

Karel

I don't like McCain either...or Obama. I wish Mr Market would run for president...

[Karel]

I don't like McCain either...or Obama. I wish Mr Market would run for president...

Well, I am an outsider, so I have no comment on that. But I wasn't putting McCain forward as a potential US president, but as someone whose opinion on Climate Change might carry more weight than Al Gore's.

(I think that the question is utterly upside down, as the arguments should decide, but as Pete seems to decide on personal (dis)likes, I was trying to get an opening.)

Regards,

Karel

[Websman]

Well, I am an outsider,....
Regards,

Karel

Nonsense Karel! I consider you as family! You can come fishin' with me anytime...

[sreeja]

I am not agree with you.The basic conclusions of global warming have been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science,including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.

[Peter Hansen]

Dr Stephen Leeb On Global Warming!

Dr Leeb in promoting a new energy newsletter had these words to say about global warming .....he expresses my own views EXACTLY!



"You’ve been told that …

The oceans will rise 20 feet!!!!
Not so. A touch of natural global warming is happening, but man-made warming is a hoax. It is simply the biggest farce ever foisted upon mankind in the name of science.
Recently, much polar ice did melt, but in 2007, 95% of it refroze. Globally, 2007 was one of the coldest years on record. A February, 2008, report from NOAA (the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) shows that the ice cover which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January, 2007, to 1.5 million square miles in October, is almost back to its original size.


Global warming is not what Gore calls “settled science.” Far from it. He cites a core group of about 600 U.S. scientists (many with shaky credentials) plus another 2,000 bureaucrats, industry lobbyists, and “environmental journalists” (whose jobs would vanish in a flash if the warming fraud were exposed to the light). Virtually all of them are feeding at the $4 billion trough filled annually by government agencies.

But when the 1997 Kyoto Protocol began to gain traction, thousands of true scientists rose up, incensed at this deeply flawed attempt to hijack the good name of science and prostitute it to the use of environmentalist propaganda. To date, 31,072 degreed scientists (9,021 with PhDs) have signed a petition firmly denying the idea of manmade global warming.

As for the “endangered” polar bears, their population has zoomed from 12,000 in the late 1960s to 25,000 today. Canada has to allow the Nunavut (eskimo) authorities to issue 500 hunting licenses a year just to keep the bears from eating themselves out of a habitat."

[Websman]

Dr Leeb should run for president.

[Karel]

Dr Leeb should run for president.

Perhaps. I would suggest a math course, however. A 5% ice loss / year computes to a loss of half the polar ice in about 14 years, et cetera. We are also comparing a refreeze in February with the original position in January the year before, and as winter has progressed one month more, the loss year over year might be even greater.

And I apologize for taking the numbers in this advertisement seriously.

Regards,

Karel

[Websman]

I was in Montana this past week...and it was cold...and there the mountains were still capped with snow. But...here I am at home in Florida again...and it's f****** hot!!!

[Websman]

Perhaps. I would suggest a math course...

I must admit...I suck at math.

[Karel]

I was in Montana this past week...and it was cold...and there the mountains were still capped with snow. But...here I am at home in Florida again...and it's f****** hot!!!

Doesn't everything happen 50 years later in Montana? Just asking ...

Regards,

Karel

[Websman]

Doesn't everything happen 50 years later in Montana? Just asking ...

Regards,

Karel

Yep...Montana does seem a little behind everybody else. They did have a McDonalds in West Yellowstone, so I guess that's a step forward. Oh...and I also met a few Europeans. At least the declining dollar is benefiting someone.