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  • IIC
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 14938

    Originally posted by DSteckler
    << Pardon me, but we won't name any child "Jacob" or "James". Why? The name means "cheater, surplanter." >>

    Actually, "Jacob" comes from the Hebrew word "ekev," which is translated as "heel." If you recall your O.T., Jacob was born grabbing the heel of Easu.
    Dave means "Beloved"...Not quite as good as "Babe Magnet"...But not too bad...IIC
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    • New-born baby
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2004
      • 6095

      Originally posted by DSteckler
      << Pardon me, but we won't name any child "Jacob" or "James". Why? The name means "cheater, surplanter." >>

      Actually, "Jacob" comes from the Hebrew word "ekev," which is translated as "heel." If you recall your O.T., Jacob was born grabbing the heel of Easu.
      Yes, literally it means, "heel snatcher" a colloquialism for cheater, surplanter.
      Do you know Hebrew?
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      • New-born baby
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2004
        • 6095

        JOYG for Monday

        I like this stock. Was a MM top five pick, and has a nice target of $76. Nice selloff to shake out the weak holders, and nice pop on Friday. Option chain is very rich and offers a nice security blanket for those who know how to use it. Those with foresight entered Thursday near the lOD.

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        • Originally posted by New-born baby
          Yes, literally it means, "heel snatcher" a colloquialism for cheater, surplanter.
          Do you know Hebrew?
          NB, it translates as "heel," not "heel snatcher." Regardless, in Hebrew it's not pejorative, while in English, "heel snatcher" is.

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          • New-born baby
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2004
            • 6095

            Eog

            EOG sports a damaged chart these days. Awful week last week saw EOG dump more than $7 off the top (down to $70). Chart speaks about $58 or so for the bottom; even though EOG has significant support at $60. Wouldn't look to take this one long anytime soon.
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            • IIC
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2003
              • 14938

              Originally posted by DSteckler
              NB, it translates as "heel," not "heel snatcher." Regardless, in Hebrew it's not pejorative, while in English, "heel snatcher" is.
              Pejorative...What the heck kind of word is that???...I thought I was the only one who knew those kinda words!!!

              It was the Word of The Day on Dictionary.com on May 16, 2000 ...IIC
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              • New-born baby
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2004
                • 6095

                Heel

                Originally posted by DSteckler
                NB, it translates as "heel," not "heel snatcher." Regardless, in Hebrew it's not pejorative, while in English, "heel snatcher" is.
                Dave,
                In Genesis 27:36, Esau exclaims, "Isn't he rightly named Jacob, for he has supplanted me these two times?" No question that Jacob literally means 'heel' but here it is used in a way that means something more than 'heel', wouldn't you say?

                Of course in English we also say someone is a 'heel' if one is a callous or dishonorable person . . . .
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                • Peter Hansen
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 3968

                  Nb WTZ Check it out

                  New Born WTZ may take a breather here ......but I think this pony still has a lot of gas in her .....what say you? Thanx Pete!

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                  • New-born baby
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 6095

                    Wtz

                    Originally posted by Peter Hansen
                    New Born WTZ may take a breather here ......but I think this pony still has a lot of gas in her .....what say you? Thanx Pete!
                    What a run! $47.50 target....I'd say buy this one over $28.75 and put a stop under the lod. Then when you earn your risk, pull the stop to even and take half off of the table so that you can no longer lose money.
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                    • Lyehopper
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 3678

                      Originally posted by New-born baby
                      Dave,
                      In Genesis 27:36, Esau exclaims, "Isn't he rightly named Jacob, for he has supplanted me these two times?" No question that Jacob literally means 'heel' but here it is used in a way that means something more than 'heel', wouldn't you say?

                      Of course in English we also say someone is a 'heel' if one is a callous or dishonorable person . . . .
                      Jacob would have been a good business man.... Looked for that golden opportunity.... and then seized it.

                      You're not saying that Jacob was somehow "dishonorable" for purchasing Esau's right as "first born" are you? Esau did not appreciate what he had and thus lost it to his brother who saw the true value of the birthright....

                      I would name my son Jacob. I would not name my son Esau.
                      BEEF!... it's whats for dinner!

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                      • New-born baby
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 6095

                        Jacob

                        Originally posted by Lyehopper
                        Jacob would have been a good business man.... Looked for that golden opportunity.... and then seized it.

                        You're not saying that Jacob was somehow "dishonorable" for purchasing Esau's right as "first born" are you? Esau did not appreciate what he had and thus lost it to his brother who saw the true value of the birthright....

                        I would name my son Jacob. I would not name my son Esau.
                        Lye,
                        Let's say you had two sons who are less than 13 years old. The eldest, Esau, is all set to inherit your substantial business. Your youngest son swaps a bowl of soup for that inheritance. Would you honor that deal? Probably not.

                        But the real issue came when Issac was going to bless one of the sons with a blessing. Issac was resisting the will of God. Jacob, working together with his mother, deceived his father and his brother by concocting the stew, wearing the disguise, and lying to his father about who he was. Would you like that? By my measure Jacob was dishonest and scheming and working against his father's will. He was acting like a cheat--exactly what he was. His actions that day earned him the eternal hatred of Esau and Esau's posterity, and his actions would have cost him his life--except God intervened.

                        No doubt God would have given him the blessing just like Jacob gave the blessing to Joseph's younger son (Ge. 48:8-20). In other words there is a right way and a wrong way to inherit, to gain wealth, to do business. Jacob's way was the wrong way. I would not name my son Jacob or Esau. But I might name him "Lye-baby."
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                        • New-born baby
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 6095

                          Jacob the Crook

                          Originally posted by Lyehopper
                          Jacob would have been a good business man....
                          Lye,
                          Do you like to do business with a guy like this? Or hire a guy like this?

                          Suppose you hired Jacob to care for your flock. And then you find out Jacob is doing all he can to take the flock from you. Ge. 30:28-43 Jacob is trying to swindle his father-in-law. He is not serving him with his best interests in mind: a Bad employee and wholly untrustworthy business man.
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                          • billyjoe
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 9014

                            Newborn,
                            Were these characters really that evil and twisted or are they just examples of how we should or should not live our lives? Are there any biblical folks who just went about their daily lives without terrible or wonderful things happening to them ?
                            billyjoe

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                            • << His actions that day earned him the eternal hatred of Esau and Esau's posterity, and his actions would have cost him his life--except God intervened. >>

                              So let me understand what you're saying, NB...G-d intervened to grant Jacob the birthright; Jacob is one of the three Patriarchs; G-d obviously wanted it to happen this way; but you think that Jacob was a cheat and untrustworthy.

                              So what you're saying is that your judgement of Jacob and Esau is right and G-d's is wrong? Interesting point of view....

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                              • New-born baby
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 6095

                                Just a momento, por favor.

                                Originally posted by DSteckler
                                << His actions that day earned him the eternal hatred of Esau and Esau's posterity, and his actions would have cost him his life--except God intervened. >>

                                So let me understand what you're saying, NB...G-d intervened to grant Jacob the birthright; Jacob is one of the three Patriarchs; G-d obviously wanted it to happen this way; but you think that Jacob was a cheat and untrustworthy.

                                So what you're saying is that your judgement of Jacob and Esau is right and G-d's is wrong? Interesting point of view....
                                No, David. I am not saying God is wrong. I am saying that Jacob was wrong to act as he did. Not everything Jacob ever did was honorable. Jacob was wrong to steal, to lie, to cheat and to deceive his father and his brother.God elected Jacob to rule over his brother before Jacob was even born. Gen. 25:21-23. Jacob sought to seize the birthright by deceit instead of waiting to let God give it to him in His time.

                                Compare Jacob with David's right to the throne. In David's case God sent Samuel to crown him secretly. Saul sought to keep the throne by seeking David's life. David repeatedly refused to kill Saul and take what God had already promised to him. Instead he waited for God to give the throne to him in God's time--which God did do.

                                So I am saying that Jacob sought to steal what God intended to give him all along. Jacob should have waited upon God to give him the birthright. No doubt God would have given him the blessing. The words that came out of Isaac's mouth when he blessed Esau and Jacob would have been the same without the subterfuge. God would have controlled what Isaac spoke.

                                Lesson: cheating to get ahead doesn't make friends or help the cheater.
                                And please remember: not everything David ever did was honorable. He was truly a great man, but he did sin with Bathsheba.
                                Last edited by New-born baby; 04-30-2006, 07:16 PM.
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