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[New-born baby]

Answer the Question, Please

There has only been one sinless man to walk this earth....

God used sinful imperfect men to accomplish his purpose many times in the Scriptures. Isaac himself later saw that God's will had been accomplished by this and stated that "God Almighty will give you the blessing of Abraham" (paraphrase) [Gen 28:3-4] .... The fact again remains.... God blessed Jacob and did not condemn him....Isaac (later) blessed Jacob and did not condemn him.... Why should I? (Luke 6:41,42)

Lye,
Thank you for your response
If you were in a court of law, the judge would say, "Answer the question, please."

Jacob lied. That is wrong. God does not tempt anyone to sin in any way. James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted of God," for God cannot be tempted by evil, neither tempteth He any man." Therefore it was not God making Jacob lie. God has the power to bestow blessing apart from any sin. We should not justify sin just because "things turned out okay."

Yes, God blessed Jacob, but not because he sinned. He blessed Jacob in spite of Jacob's sin.

There are many times in the Bible where God records the sins of believers without comment. The silence of God does not necessarily mean approval. Abraham had Ishmael by a slave girl. No comment from God in the Bible, but a whole lot of hatred and jealousy and trouble for several thousand years came of it.

[New-born baby]

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Guys,
Is it possible that the version of bible you were brought up with could cause some misunderstanding ? My wife and I are both Christian but raised in different denominations. She teaches Sunday School and often has lessons from the bible that I've never heard before. Likewise I sometimes question her on a passage very familiar from my childhood and she has never heard it before. Google lists several versions and translations of the bible often tied to a certain nationality.

billyjoe

BillyJoe,
Thanks for giving us a possible source for misunderstanding, but I don't think Bible versions are causing any difficulty in this discussion at this time.

[IIC]

Doug,
Again, thank you for your response. Your candor is appreciated.

I have this question for you: If God did not write the Bible, why would you believe any of it at all? You see, if it claims God as its author, and it wasn't written by God, then it is all just a fabricated lie. And you would then have no reason to say that you are a Christian. Are you prepared to go that far? It is the only logical thing to do IF you don't believe God wrote the Bible.

I personally hope and yes, even pray, that you'd rethink your position on the authorship of the Bible. How could men fabricate prophecies hundreds and in some cases, thousands of years in advance--and they all come true? You see the Bible was written over a period of 1500 years by some 40 different men--and they all agree.

I really think--and Doug, this is a friend speaking to you--that you haven't looked closely at the Bible. I would suggest that you start in Matthew (1st book in the New Testament), and read four chapters per day. You'll finish that book in 7 days. It is full of quotations from the Old Testament. These quotations are given after an event in the life of Christ as evidence that these prophecies are true, and that Jesus is the Christ. You'll know its a quotation because it will say "as it is written." If you have a reference Bible, there will a notation next to that phrase which will identify the Old Testament passage that forecast that event. And you can then turn in your Old Testament and see something written hundreds of years in advance that Christ fulfilled.

I don't doubt and I'm not questioning the Bible...And yes...I have read it cover to cover...But it was written by men...You said so yourself...I bolded it in your quote...some 40 different men...IMO the Bible is a historical document...I believe most of it is true...But...It is subject to much intrepretation...That is why there are so many different Christian Denominations and Sub-Denominations...I believe it is much more important that which lies in your belief and soul...than any literal interpretation.

We could debate this forever...And you would never win with me...I respect your feelings and beliefs...But you are you and I am me...A discussion on a stock forum is not going to change what I believe in...Best...Doug(IIC)

[IIC]

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Originally Posted by billyjoe
Guys,
Is it possible that the version of bible you were brought up with could cause some misunderstanding ? My wife and I are both Christian but raised in different denominations. She teaches Sunday School and often has lessons from the bible that I've never heard before. Likewise I sometimes question her on a passage very familiar from my childhood and she has never heard it before. Google lists several versions and translations of the bible often tied to a certain nationality.

billyjoe


BillyJoe,
Thanks for giving us a possible source for misunderstanding, but I don't think Bible versions are causing any difficulty in this discussion at this time.


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Actually...I think BillyJoe supports my point...Interpretation.

If there were no interpretation issues...There would probably be world peace...IIC

[New-born baby]

Iic

Actually...I think BillyJoe supports my point...Interpretation.

If there were no interpretation issues...There would probably be world peace...IIC

Doug,
Interpretation--yes, that's the issue.
1. God has only said one thing. By this I mean His Bible has only one true message.
2. Men differently interprete that message because they have their own agendas. "If anyone is willing do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether I be of God or whether I speak for myself." (John 7:17) In other words one must put himself completely aside, do everything he knows to do that is right and stop doing that which is wrong, and say, "Lord, I will do anything you want me to do," he will understand the Bible.

And yes, you are correct: the roadblock to world peace is a world of people who will not do the will of God. And when Christ comes back (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 " . . . when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power"---they will be destroyed and Christ shall rule as "the Prince of Peace."

[DSteckler]

I presume this thread will be back on topic in 90 minutes or less?

[New-born baby]

We'll discuss anything here

I presume this thread will be back on topic in 90 minutes or less?

Sure Why not?

BOOM: looking for an entry here and a pop to $43 this week. BOOM took the $9 dump last Thursday--RSI was oversold, and BOOM doesn't seem to keep its head when it becomes topheavy like that. RSI touches the 70 mark and BOOM goes BOOM as it hits the floor. IMO BOOM still has enough momo to overcome that dump. If not, $27 looks like it might be back in style again. But I think not. But be advised there is no option chain here to bail you out.

[Lyehopper]

Lye,
Thank you for your response
If you were in a court of law, the judge would say, "Answer the question, please."

Jacob lied. That is wrong. God does not tempt anyone to sin in any way. James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted of God," for God cannot be tempted by evil, neither tempteth He any man." Therefore it was not God making Jacob lie. God has the power to bestow blessing apart from any sin. We should not justify sin just because "things turned out okay."

Yes, God blessed Jacob, but not because he sinned. He blessed Jacob in spite of Jacob's sin.

There are many times in the Bible where God records the sins of believers without comment. The silence of God does not necessarily mean approval. Abraham had Ishmael by a slave girl. No comment from God in the Bible, but a whole lot of hatred and jealousy and trouble for several thousand years came of it.

I never said God approved of sin.... He does however use sinfull men (and women) to accomplish his will.

A court case would have had more details and evidence.... God knows we all sin and fall short of his standard. We don't know Jacob's prayers after the fact, we don't know how badly he felt about deceiving his father. If God made "no comment.".... Then since I don't know all of the surrounding circumstances, I'll make "no comment.".... Other than to say God is forgiving to those who seek forgiveness with the proper heart condition. (Example of David was already given) Evidentially Jacob had a good heart and loved God. We can speculate all day long over possible details that were left out of the account. My overall point is this.... Jacob was an honorable man and God chose him and his lineage to bless all mankind. Thus I would name my son Jacob, as I would David, as I would James.... But if you chose to.... or not to name your offspring these names I'm sure God could care less.lol

This was fun.... pick another topic.jejeje

[New-born baby]

Bear Flag Patterns

Bear Flag is a sharp, strong volume decline on a negative fundamental development, several days of sideways to higher price action on much weaker volume followed by a second, sharp decline to new lows on strong volume.

The technical target for a bear flag pattern is derived by subtracting the height of the flag pole from the eventual breakout level at point (e).

Bear flag formations involve two distinct parts, a near vertical, high volume flag pole and a parallel, low volume consolidation comprised of four points and an upside breakout.
The actual flag formation of a bear flag pattern must be less than 20 trading sessions in duration.
Most bear flag patterns occur at the middle of the larger move lower for a stock.
Downside breakouts often lead to small 2-3% declines followed by an immediate test of the breakout level. If the stock closes above this level (now resistance) for any reason the pattern becomes invalid.

Bear flags are favored among technical traders because they almost always lead to large and predicable price moves. Like all continuation patterns, bear flags represent little more than a brief lull in a larger move lower. Indeed, in many cases the flag pattern will actually take shape in the middle of the ultimate move lower. Like bull flags, bear flags occur because stocks rarely move in one direction for an extended period, instead, the move is broken up by brief periods where traders "catch their breath". These periods are flags and pennants.

The first part of the bear flag pattern is often called the flagpole or mast. During this phase the stock price collapses to a reaction low (a) following some negative fundamental development. Very often this will be downward guidance, an unfavorable legal resolution or negative earnings surprise but the change in price is near vertical as would be buyers are overwhelmed by frantic new sellers caught-up in the euphoria of the moment. As the stock collapses some speculators that were smart enough to have sold short stock at higher levels begin buying to cover short positions and some less informed investors actually begin bargain-hunting.

At this point the second phase or flag portion of the bear flag begins. Because the flow of news and investor sentiment is overwhelming negative, most of the stock bought by speculators is easily absorbed by nervous sellers in the beginning but as time passes selling pressures abate and slowly, the stock price begins to rise on dramatically reduced volume. It is bargain-hunting that pushes the stock off the lows but volume is so weak that the rally soon fizzles and the stock puts-in a short term top point (b).

With bearish sentiment still rampant the next decline threatens to push the stock to fresh new lows but as the decline begins volume slows further and the bargain-hunters become more enthusiastic. As the stock approaches the reaction low price stabilizes and second short term bottom is established at slightly higher levels point (c). Buoyed by the fact the stock did not make a relative new low bargain hunters once again begin buying the stock. This time the stock rallies slightly higher than point (b) but volume is even weaker and the rally soon fails (d).

During the next 3-4 sessions the stock trades in a narrow range and volume slows dramatically before the stock begins to slide toward the lows established at point (c). Over the next 1-2 sessions the stock moves through these lows, triggering a downside breakout (e). Over the next session several Wall Street firms make negative comments or reduce earnings estimates and a new leg lower begins. The stock opens lower and goes on to make significant new lows in the weeks ahead.

Swingtrades.com

[Lyehopper]

I presume this thread will be back on topic in 90 minutes or less?

Only if NBB let's me have the last word.LOL!!!!

sorry fellas!.... ON the the Stock Market!

[Peter Hansen]

Religion and politics.....There are no winners.

Generally people have"SET" opinions about religion and politics ......and to to try an altar those views is bascially an excercise in futility. Very similar to blowing a flute in front of a water buffalo. LOL .........Boys time to change the topic and make some money!

[New-born baby]

Lye's last word

Only if NBB let's me have the last word.LOL!!!!

sorry fellas!.... ON the the Stock Market!

Lye--
I always give you the last word . . .on Goji's.

[New-born baby]

Bullish

I am bullish on SU, VLO and PEIX today. I watch VLO and she usually has a pullback near the 2 pm EST time slot until the close. Lots of profit taking in the afternoon. Still I like this stock and think it will challenge the $80 mark this summer--maybe much more. PnF says she's got $109 in her. . . I don't believe that just yet.

SU--looking for a first target of $92, second target of $109. This stock has some real power behind it, and a very rich option chain. Buy it here and sell the JAN $90 calls and you've got 16% in your pocket right away.

PEIX--much more of the momo play, still I am looking at $35 touch in the next week or so. Lots of resistance right now at $35. I'll be looking to take profits here--one way or another--[sell the $40 call at this mark]--because I think that resistance is significant. However, I would say that the 4th touch of that $35 marker and it busts resistance and moves up (imho).

[New-born baby]

Adm

WARNING WILL ROBINSON!

ADM reports this Tuesday. Place your options strategies now.

[RL]

When you figure out who GOD really Is all your questions will be answered.Remember when asked his name his answer was "I am who I am'