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  • jiesen
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2003
    • 5322

    AMLN - Why I bought it - (why not post this here, too?)

    AMLN recently received approval for both of its main drug candidates. On approval, the stock traded down from the low $20s range to nearly $15, an absolutely insane price for a stock with 100M shares outstanding, and two new drugs each with billion-dollar potential. Currently, AMLN trades at $36 and is climbing steadily with 25M shorted shares dragging silly TA traders into an early retirement.

    Early analyst projections downplayed the potential sales for Symlin and Byetta, claiming that the benefits were minimal, that inhaled insulin would compete, and patients are too afraid of needles to accept these drugs into their regimen. Well, actual results may vary! Patients are finding the needle to be no problem at all, and that the benefits of Byetta are far outweighing any inconvenience. Sales of Byetta are increasing at a rate of about 10% per week, putting Byetta on track for $100-150M this year, and likely more than double that in the next.

    Symlin sales have been quite a bit slower than Byetta, to be sure, but the potential still exists for this drug to be as big a blockbuster as Byetta surely will be. Part of the success Byetta is having is due to the collaboration with LLY, and the effectiveness with which LLY is able to bring this drug to market. Once AMLN gets on the ball with their sales and marketing team, Symlin sales will be rising just as fast as Byetta.

    I'm a chemist, Jim, not a doctor! So I can't pretend to explain to you how this drug works, but if you go check it out here:

    http://www.byetta.com/hcp/200_incre....jsp?reqNavId=2

    you'll see how Byetta helps a diabetic's body regain the ability to regulate glucose on its own, as well as trigger a feeling of fullness which prevents a diabetic from overeating. This may be one of the drug's best selling points. As patient after patient loses his or her excess weight, word gets out that this stuff really does change a person's life around, and next thing you know, every overweight diabetic is demanding it.

    So enough about the products- given that they're in huge demand, are extremely profitable, as proprietary drugs are- what about the numbers?

    Well income statements from the past of course do not do AMLN justice.
    They lost 110M, 120M, and 160M in the years ending 02, 03, and 04.And they'll likely continue to lose money for another couple or three years... BUT they've done this while keeping a very healthy balance sheet:



    Check that out! They have a half a billion in cash and equivalents, but what about that $400M in debt you may ask? Gone! At today's stock price, that puts all of AMLN's debt as convertible to equity more valuable than the bond is worth. So you can forget about AMLN having any cash troubles... ever. If AMLN is good at one thing, it's been raising money. Whenever they've needed cash, they've found a way to get it, and that's paid off for them big-time.

    Well, I'm getting tired writing this thing up, ($$MM I don't know how you manage to do this every time) but I do have a couple other things I want to mention... Byetta LAR is the next project they've got in the works, it's a once-a-week injection rather than the several times daily form it takes now. If this is shown to be just as effective, it will dramatically increase the patient acceptance, and therefore profits. Given the success AMLN has had previously with Symlin and Byetta, I say it's a cinch they'll get LAR approved. Not only this, but there are a few other candidates lurking behind the scenes, and I expect that Symlin and Byetta will not be the last drugs AMLN contributes to our world. AMLN will be joining the ranks of Amgen, Genentech, Biogen-Idec in short order, leaping to the $10B-$20B market cap range as sales climb into the billions.

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    • billyjoe
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2003
      • 9014

      Jiesen,
      I once owned a stock headquartered at the Islets of Langerhans , but seriously, there was a report on the networks about an inhalable insulin that couldn't be regulated in the case of smokers. They inhaled too much or absorbed a dangerous dose or something strange like that. It does make sense that a long time smoker's uptake of anything inhalable might be out of the ordinary.

      billyjoe

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      • why i bought it??????
        the first time is because you told me to!!!
        the second time is because it held up nicely, and then sold when it was stalling. and then bought a lot more of the big jump day after hours and am holding it.
        Missed a few points but biggy biggy hi ho thank you again

        PS I did do some of my own dd too.

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        • jiesen
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2003
          • 5322

          New Scrip data: Byetta 11839 (up 8%) -- Symlin 1672 (down 2%)

          Not fantatstic, but not bad either:

          Byetta 11839 -- Symlin 1672
          by: longamln (42/M/FL)
          Long-Term Sentiment: Buy
          10/10/05 10:35 am
          Msg: 148637 of 148637

          Investment Conclusion
          AMLN had prescriptions reported by IMS America
          this morning for recently approved diabetes drugs
          Symlin and Byetta. Total prescriptions for Byetta
          in its eighteenth full week ending September 30
          were 11,839, of which 9,225 were new
          prescriptions up from 10,971 total and 8,882 new
          Rxs respectively in the prior week. With 1-month
          starter packs being provided to key prescribers,
          we believe that these numbers underestimate true
          patient starts.
          Summary
          ! Total prescriptions for Symlin for the week ending
          September 30 were 1,672 with new Rxs of 1,081,
          down from 1,714 total and 1,071 new Rxs in the
          prior week. Overall, over 14,000 new
          prescriptions have been written for Symlin in its
          first three months of launch.
          ! Overall, we remain encouraged by early Rx
          trends, particularly for Byetta and expect the
          significant acceleration to continue in October as
          physician visits pick up after the summer and early
          samples are converted into actual sales.
          Reiterate 1-Overweight rating.

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          • jiesen
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2003
            • 5322

            Clinical effects of Byetta

            Byetta in clinical practice has been quite interesting. The key effects of byetta are characterized by its effects on fasting blood glucose (FBS) and postprandial blood glucose (PPS):
            (1) Delayed gastric emptying leading to improved glycemic index. (PPS)
            (2) Restoration of first-phase insulin response which is lost in diabetics and absolutely critical for postprandial control. (PPS)
            (3) Reduction in glucagon levels and therefore reduced fasting blood glucose by reduced hepatic glucose output. Uptitration leads to added benefit and further reduction of FBS. (FBS,PPS)
            (4) Decrease feeling of hunger through CNS effects of byetta. (FBS,PPS)
            (5) Preservation and possibly restoration of beta cell function. (FBS,PPS)

            There are additional effects apparent in patients on byetta (clinical observations):
            (1) Reduced dyspnea and improved breathing. Probably mediated by reduced insulin requirement. Insulin is antidiuretic leading to volumeexpansion.
            (2) Reduced leg swelling. (insulin sparing)
            (3) Reduced hunger (CNS effect; delayed gastric emptying)
            (4) More energy (? mechanism)
            (5) Feeling better: initially I thought that this is related to wt loss; however, having seen patients that ran out of byetta for a few days reporting increased depression, no agility, no persistence in finishing tasks I speculate if there is actually a different mechanism in play. One patient specifically felt dramatically better on byetta and lost all energy while off it and regained her "energy" immediately after going back on it. This effect was not glucose control or weight loss dependent. Byetta as "antidepressant"? Intriguing.
            (6) Congestive heart failure: one patient was waiting for his mail order byetta after being on Byetta 5; After 2 weeks of waiting (off byetta) he had an exacerbation of CHF;
            (7) Nausea; so far the only problem; about 2/3 of patients will not observe any nausea at all; the rest will have some but it usually tapers down within days; 2 patient had persistent nausea leading to discontinuation of byetta (one lost 7lb the other 18lb); this could be secondary to possible subclinical gastroparesis;
            ( Effects on medications: again the delayed gastric emptying may lead to delayed absorption of medication; one patient reported that "her water pill doesn't kick in until the afternoon"; after a change from AM to PM dosing the problem resolved; Interestingly, due to the circadian rhythm of blood pressure (high BP in the morning) I actually adjust some patients' BP meds to evening dosing with improved AM BP control.
            (9) There is a beneficial effect on lipids using byetta with reduced triglycerides and LDL and a slight increase in HDL; I have seen reductions in CRP in some patients; all this data is preliminary; it appears that this effect is independent of wt loss, however, accelerated with wt loss.

            from:
            http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN....wBrmnB6r9A7Nw--

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            • jiesen
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2003
              • 5322

              AMLN scrip data, Oct 7 (Byetta up 5%, Symlin up 4%)



              AMLN had prescriptions reported by IMS America
              this morning for recently approved diabetes drugs Symlin and Byetta. Total prescriptions for Byetta in its nineteenth full week ending October 7 were 12,383, of which 9,263 were new prescriptions up from 11,839 total and 9,225 new Rxs respectively in the prior week.

              Total prescriptions for Symlin for the week ending October 7 were 1,746 with new Rxs of 1,016, up from 1,672 total and 1,081 new Rxs in the prior week. Overall, over 15,000 new prescriptions have been written for Symlin in its first three months of launch.

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              • spikefader
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2004
                • 7175

                In a tricky place count wise. Sets up aggressive long here, but I think it's worth waiting for the pullback on this occasion.

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                • Greenberg says hold, Cramer says sell!

                  Today on Jim Cramer's "Mad Money", Senior MarketWatch columnist Herb Greenberg, citing increasing prescription volume for Byetta, suggested that AMLN could reach $100 - $200 in 3 - 4 years. Cramer, who advocated the stock in the high teens feels that it is time to "ring the register". Greenberg vehemently disagreed.

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                  • jiesen
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5322

                    I wouldn't exactly say "fall short"

                    But nevertheless, AMLN's results aren't as fantastic as I'd hoped:



                    Amylin Sinks as Results Fall Short

                    By Robert Steyer
                    TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
                    10/26/2005 6:27 PM EDT
                    Click here for more stories by Robert Steyer
                    Updated from 5:03 p.m. EDT

                    Amylin Pharmaceuticals (AMLN:Nasdaq - commentary - research - Cramer's Take), the developer of two diabetes drugs, issued third-quarter results Wednesday that fell below analysts' expectations on both the top and bottom lines.

                    The financial report, issued after markets had closed, led to a sharp selloff in after-hours trading. Amylin's shares lost $3.99, or 10.5%, to $34. In regular trading, the stock gained 44 cents.
                    Amylin lost $69.5 million, or 65 cents a share, on revenue of $25.9 million for what was its first full quarter of commercial operations. Analysts polled by Thomson First Call had predicted a loss of 57 cents a share on revenue of $30.7 million.


                    For the same period last year, Amylin lost $34.1 million, or 36 cents a share, on revenue of $13.4 million.

                    Amylin makes and sells Symlin, an injectable drug for helping reduce blood sugar and which is used in conjunction with insulin. Symlin was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in March, after more than four years of review during which the agency twice asked Amylin for additional clinical data.

                    The more important product is Byetta, which helps control blood sugar. The FDA approved the drug in late April. Amylin has enlisted Eli Lilly (LLY:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) to help it market Byetta, which must be injected twice a day. Amylin isolated the drug from the saliva of the Gila monster.

                    Amylin also is working with Lilly and Alkermes (ALKS:Nasdaq - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) to create a version of Byetta that can be injected once a week.

                    Although Byetta's clinical results have been favorable, some analysts have said sales might fall below more bullish Wall Street estimates because the injectable Byetta must compete against similar medications that are taken orally.

                    Ginger L. Graham, the president and CEO, told analysts in a telephone conference call that demand for Byetta isn't completely reflected in reported revenue because Amylin provides free samples to doctors, along with certain discounts for patients. These practices are standard to the pharmaceutical industry as companies promote new drugs to doctors and patients. Go to NEXT PAGE

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                    • billyjoe
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 9014

                      Jiesen,
                      Just this sort of thing has nailed me 2 or 3 times in the past year. The only thing I see to prevent losses due to unexpected earnings is a portfolio that never holds through earnings , but how realistic is that ? Any suggestions?
                      The worst part of this is the ineffectiveness of stops when earnings are announced after hours.
                      billyjoe

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                      • skiracer
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 6314

                        Originally posted by billyjoe
                        Jiesen,
                        Just this sort of thing has nailed me 2 or 3 times in the past year. The only thing I see to prevent losses due to unexpected earnings is a portfolio that never holds through earnings , but how realistic is that ? Any suggestions?
                        The worst part of this is the ineffectiveness of stops when earnings are announced after hours.
                        billyjoe
                        Down around 4 points in the AH. You guys must have been in early on an are holding some pretty nice gains with this stock. Can't you just let it go and take what gains are left. This thing could really go off the chart in the morning.
                        THE SKIRACER'S EDGE: MAKE THE EDGE IN YOUR FAVOR

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                        • spikefader
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 7175



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                          • Notice the Price making nice highs, but RSI dropping (red line) . I guess this could be a negative divergence between price and RSI.

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                            • New-born baby
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 6095

                              Please don't

                              I just pray she doesn't fill the gap . . . .
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                              • spikefader
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 7175

                                Yep, there's the divergence right there.

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